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Blackadder

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 6, 2003
16,122
Haywards Heath
I've not heard it before, but I'm just assuming it's complete and utter c...

That's what I got. (Urban dictionary). Guess if depends on your google settings, if you see it or not?
 




seagullondon

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Mar 15, 2011
4,442
The more and more i see Andy Burnham the more and more i like him. BURNHAM FOR LEADER OF THE LABOUR PARTY! :moo:
 


Hatterlovesbrighton

something clever
Jul 28, 2003
4,543
Not Luton! Thank God
Was getting very annoyed about the Human Rights conversation and people who really should have known better getting their European Union, European Convention on Human Rights and the Human Rights Act mixed up. Little bit of research would have helped

They are essentially the same thing aren't they. HRA enshrined the ECHR into British law. Previously you had to go to the ECJ to access it but now you can access it through the British courts.
 




Peteinblack

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Jun 3, 2004
4,146
Bath, Somerset.
No, the ECHR and the EU/ECJ are two entirley separate things.

Britain was also one of the countries which created the ECHR, after the 2nd World War, and long before the EU as created.

But today, those who dislike the Human Rights Act also tend to hate the EU, so they have an interest in treating the two as the same, and so can attack two birds with one stone!
 


Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
31,830
Uffern
They are essentially the same thing aren't they. HRA enshrined the ECHR into British law. Previously you had to go to the ECJ to access it but now you can access it through the British courts.

Yes, but it's nothing to do with the European Union. It's interesting to see the way that the Daily Mail gets worked up about ECHR when much of it was drafted by a Tory MP (later home secretary) David Maxwell Fyffe with the strong support of Winston Churchill (and opposed by several members of the Labour cabinet). the UK became a full signatory during Churchill's premiership.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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Tubby Mondays

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Dec 8, 2005
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A Crack House
How, in the name of merry f***, do you know that?? Are you basing this assumption on the fact because he was born into a privileged family he wouldnt have the necessary chutzpah to succeed? If so that is inverse snobbery of the highest order.

Well how many people from a Council Estate have been leaders of the Tory Party? How many people from a council estate have become prime minister despite not being able to win an election against someone as unpopular as Gordon Brown?

History and simple statistics thats how in the name of merry f*** that anyone with an ounce of sense know that!
 


Peteinblack

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Jun 3, 2004
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Yes, but it's nothing to do with the European Union. It's interesting to see the way that the Daily Mail gets worked up about ECHR when much of it was drafted by a Tory MP (later home secretary) David Maxwell Fyffe with the strong support of Winston Churchill (and opposed by several members of the Labour cabinet). the UK became a full signatory during Churchill's premiership.

Good point, very well made, sir.
 


Common as Mook

Not Posh as Fook
Jul 26, 2004
5,642
Well how many people from a Council Estate have been leaders of the Tory Party? How many people from a council estate have become prime minister despite not being able to win an election against someone as unpopular as Gordon Brown?

History and simple statistics thats how in the name of merry f*** that anyone with an ounce of sense know that!

I don't know but there are plenty of cabinet members and MPs who have been educated through the State system - William Haugue (former leader), Liam Fox, Sayeeda Warsi, Phillip Hammond....

Which ever way you try and dress it up, that was a snidey snobbish dig at those who happen to be born into priviledged backgrounds
 






Common as Mook

Not Posh as Fook
Jul 26, 2004
5,642
So as a grown man - how did Cameron land his first job at Conservative Central Office ?

I couldnt give a flying one to be honest. Background means nothing to me.

My challenge is to the general assumption that priviledged upbringing means you lack any kind of drive and determination. Some of the most driven people I've worked with are those that have grown up having exactly what they wanted when they wanted. Equally there are those that have come from nothing and worked their way to the top of their profession.
 


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May 9, 2008
13,331
Haywards Heath
Yes, but it's nothing to do with the European Union. It's interesting to see the way that the Daily Mail gets worked up about ECHR when much of it was drafted by a Tory MP (later home secretary) David Maxwell Fyffe with the strong support of Winston Churchill (and opposed by several members of the Labour cabinet). the UK became a full signatory during Churchill's premiership.

In totally different circumstances than the present day.
 






wellquickwoody

Many More Voting Years
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Aug 10, 2007
13,913
Melbourne
So it's hypocritical for someone who is financially well-off to believe in socialism, but quite OK for a government of millionaires to tell the rest of us to tighten our belts, accept pay freezes or cuts and make other sacrifices?

You really are picking this up quite well, aren't you?
 


User removed 4

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May 9, 2008
13,331
Haywards Heath
So as a grown man - how did Cameron land his first job at Conservative Central Office ?
I know he worked in PR for thames tv, not sure if that was before or after , but if we are being honest , both parties and cabinets are stuffed full of "professional politicians" who have never had a real job in their lives, they've all been " researchers" and suchlike.
 










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