I'm not sure what majority is for a FL members vote, but it's safe to assume at least 50% would now need to change their minds. I'm struggling to see how this will happen.
QPR - now relegated, will they have to pay their FFP fine?
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I'm not sure what majority is for a FL members vote, but it's safe to assume at least 50% would now need to change their minds. I'm struggling to see how this will happen.
They were tweaked to align with an increase in parachute payments.... I think. It was just a tweak though, and Barber did explain why the tweak was made
That's fair enough, I don't tend to read the press releases from him.
I hope they get absolutely hammered, but I just can't see it, there will be a loop hole.
There really does need to be one administrator for all 4 leagues.
Not sure about that - I don't think acting while a matter is under legal consideration is an option. For example, we had to go through loads of legal stuff to get the Amex - there was no way we could have just started building it whilst the enquiries were still going on. What if the league throws them out, and then the decision is made by whatever judicial process that it was wrong to do so, and they must be allowed back in? That would be a right laugh if that happened in mid-October ..........
Anyway, injunctions can fly around all over the place at any time, can't they?
Agreed.
The key wording (gets out nerd book) from FFP is as follows
*clears throat*
"A permanent waiver of related party debt.....must be treated as capital"
So the rule is very clear, and designed to prevent exactly what QPR have done. Otherwise any club owner could lend a club £100 million, and then write it off, immediately reducing their losses by £100m, and allowing the club to spend a fortune on players wages and transfer fees.
Elvis
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Crawley problem is their lack of fan base. Unfortuately for them most of the town support London clubs. They just don't have the numbers, this season the vast majority of Lg2 clubs had bigger gates than Crawley. The owners may have blamed FFP but the reality is the support just isn't there even though the Towns population is greater than a few prem towns.
They can continually make changes as they see fit, that doesn't mean it was unworkable. It's very simple, QPR broke the rules by over-spending to buy promotion, not because it wasn't possible to stay within the rules.
They have no choice to act. If QPR do not comply with the rules, then the rules are that they should be kicked out of the league, and so I assume the rules are to give the place to another team. To not give that place to another team would be failing to act.
Creaky
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Owners who have loaned clubs large amounts of money should in my opinion be encouraged to write off that debt - but that's another argument.
One point that seems to have been ignored in this discussion is the legal agreement between the Premier League and the Championship - in simple terms that The Football League will accept into the Championship teams relegated from the PL and the PL will accept an equal number of teams 'promoted' from the Championship.
In terms of any potential legal action over the QPR debt the Football League is between a rock and a hard place - I would suggest that the FL would have a better chance fighting individual clubs than the PL, both in financial terms and potential 'retaliation'/'compensation' should they lose any legal action.
I don't understand why the FL and PL don't have an agreement in place as both have some sort of FFP in place
....and then when QPR come back with a ruling from the House of Lords or Strasbourg or whatever in their favour, and the season's already started. What then?
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
The penalty should always have been a heavy points deduction, carried out the following season, or upon a promoted club coming back into the league.
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
QPR tried to exploit the wrong loophole , if they had done what Fulham did by amortising players transfer fees in one hit instead of over the course of the contracts this is allowable under FFP rules to reduce losses.
Have you been on yet? Any news
Machiavelli
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I think you're a bit muddled there.
Then it's too late for QPR. Obviously that's not ideal, but the league has to do something, and whatever happens, it will be too late for one club (or 3). The only question then is which ruling to start with, and surely the natural ruling to start with is the ruling of the governing body. A team has broken the rules, they knew a long time ago that they broke them, they knew what would happen and they haven't yet taken the matter to court.
What would have happened if Rotherham had got relegated and challenged the decision? I assume they'd have been relegated while it went to the courts. This isn't new territory, teams have had points deductions etc before that have effected the league they've entered, and if they could have been in a higher division just by taking it to court, I'm sure they would have.
Thanks for that, I think!
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Bevendean Hillbilly
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Or, alternatively, that they were unable to be able promoted for two or three seasons whatever league position they attain. Just see if the money men are happy to wait three years for ROI. Chairmen like Bloom have sunk huge personal fortunes into their clubs and are clearly prepared to see it out but, I'll bet, that QPRs backers are quite so patient or altruistic.