QPR in the Conference - Great Idea

[sparkie]

Only 10 of the 24 current Championship teams took part in that vote.

Blimey.

No wonder there are so many trying to break the rules.

8 - 10 teams to fail FFP

 

[Creaky]

And the point is? There's an AGM and this year certain things regarding FFP were raised but didn't get to the voting stage as there was not enough support. Therefore the current rules will remain unchallenged. Those that strongly disagree with it have a choice, remain a member or not.

Not a real choice though - is it?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Not a real choice though - is it?

Yes, comply.

 

[Creaky]

Yes, comply.

Exactly the same argument the unions used to use over the 'closed shop'.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Exactly the same argument the unions used to use over the 'closed shop'.

Yeah right.

The majority of members wanted it, they voted for it, it became part of the rules of those involved. New members where aware of it. No problem. If someone wants to spunk his money away far enough but he needs to accept part of his investment will have to take in to account his flaunting of rules.

 

[Dan Aitch]

Why do player contracts not say "£60k per week in the Premiership, dropping to £5k per week if we get relegated"?

I guess it's agent power and fear that players will far-cough if presented with such a contract... but I still don't know why such contracts don't exist.

 

[Hyperion]

"Could" result in a fine of up to £40m. In other words, nowhere near that figure once a few envelopes of cash are slipped into a few hands

 

[nwgull]

Why do player contracts not say "£60k per week in the Premiership, dropping to £5k per week if we get relegated"?

I guess it's agent power and fear that players will far-cough if presented with such a contract... but I still don't know why such contracts don't exist.

Probably because if they did, no players would sign them if they could get another contract elsewhere. Clubs promoted from the Championship would have almost no chance of competing.

The safety net of the Parachute Payments gives promoted clubs a fighting chance of strengthening their squad enough to make it competitive. I'm sure none of us would complain about that if we were promoted sometime in the next few years.

 

[Hyperion]

Probably because if they did, no players would sign them if they could get another contract elsewhere. Clubs promoted from the Championship would have almost no chance of competing.

The safety net of the Parachute Payments gives promoted clubs a fighting chance of strengthening their squad enough to make it competitive. I'm sure none of us would complain about that if we were promoted sometime in the next few years.

Pretty sure Barber said the parachute payments for a relegated club are larger than all the corporate and sponsorship deal we have put together, by some margin too.

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

Why?

The courts would have a difficult job finding against the FL. All of its rules have been agreed by its members. Each and everyone of its members are fully aware of the rules prior to the start of the competition. If any such member should disagree they can raise it at the AGM, if there's enough support for their disagreement then it would be voted on and possibly changed. Failing that if they do not comply then the penalties agreed by the members that is laid down is in perfectly good English that even the numpty at Forest can read. Don't like it don't enter the competition.

The case of those who have complied is far far stronger should it be required.

Cellino's lawyers did a pretty good job of demolishing the FL created fit and proper persons test. What's to say another group of lawyers can't dismantle FFP?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Cellino's lawyers did a pretty good job of demolishing the FL created fit and proper persons test. What's to say another group of lawyers can't dismantle FFP?

They didn't though.

Cellino failed the test because he was convicted of fraud in Italy. His lawyers appealed THAT conviction, not the FA's ruling, then once the appeal process was underway (and thus he was not [yet] guilty) the FA ruling had to be overturned (or at very least suspended)

 

[gazingdown]

Probably because if they did, no players would sign them if they could get another contract elsewhere. Clubs promoted from the Championship would have almost no chance of competing.

Where would they go elsewhere? Especially if other clubs are doing the same with relegation clauses (which would be more or less forced if no parachute payments), they would have no choice. The only clubs that could realistically sign a player without these clauses would be the ones not at risk of relegation (about 5/6 clubs max - Chelsea, City, Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and maybe Everton/Spurs). Many players wouldn't be able to sign for these big clubs anyway. For example, no player trying to sign for Palace/WBA/Cardiff/etc. is going to turn around and say "I'm not signing that, I'm going to join Man Utd instead"

Clubs should be responsible for their own predicament and not blame others for their overspending and inflexible contracts.

 

[The Truth]

Are the QPR fans bothered by all this?

Surely after seeing what's just happened to Pompey, fans should be going mental about their club financially not having a clue.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Let's start ramping up the guilt factor. If the £40m fine is set to go to charity then who are these charities? Name them. It'd be harder for Tony Fernandes to fight the penalty when he's fighting to take £40million out of the hands of children's charities.

I'm sure if the fines were going to the other clubs and they were all set to get £1-2million they'd be fighting tooth and nail to bring QPR down.

 

[dadams2k11]

Are the QPR fans bothered by all this?

Surely after seeing what's just happened to Pompey, fans should be going mental about their club financially not having a clue.

Apparently not. There is a few concern fans but the rest seem to think it wont happen and its unfair. Boo Hoo

http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/...2990-QPR-could-be-relegated-to-the-Conference

 

[halbpro]

Let's start ramping up the guilt factor. If the £40m fine is set to go to charity then who are these charities? Name them. It'd be harder for Tony Fernandes to fight the penalty when he's fighting to take £40million out of the hands of children's charities.

I'm sure if the fines were going to the other clubs and they were all set to get £1-2million they'd be fighting tooth and nail to bring QPR down.

Oh that would be an amazing tactic from the Football League. Announce that, for this year, revenue from fines (don't mention QPR by name) will be split evenly between grass roots football in the UK, to foster the next generation of talent, a charity that provides football facilities for young people in the developing world, a disaster relief charity and to fighting some disease (try and go for something slightly obscure, but something that's affected someone with a link to football). Who's going to back Fernandes then?

 

[nwgull]

Apparently not. There is a few concern fans but the rest seem to think it wont happen and its unfair. Boo Hoo

http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/...2990-QPR-could-be-relegated-to-the-Conference

Interesting to read in that it seems that the majority of their fans are clueless about FFP regulations and timescales: One poster asking why the FL haven't taken QPR to court already - that's because accounts aren't required to be submitted for another 2 months. Another saying that the 70m from this years TV money should bring their losses in line - what for season 13/14 that ended in May?

 

[El Presidente]

Putting them into more and more debt, you mean?

But if the club owner funds the losses via an equity issue it is not putting the business into greater debt.

Manchester City have the lowest prices in the Premier League, mainly due to the club owners subsidising the operational activities of the club, I don't see what they have done wrong.

 

[El Presidente]

Who's going to back Fernandes then?

Backing him is an irrelevance, the issue is whether FFP is legal.

The only reason why City and PSG didn't take UEFA to court this year was that their penalties were watered down to an acceptable level.

The elephant in the room in relation to FFP isn't the clubs, it could be a player. The lawyer who brought about the Bosman ruling is considering acting on behalf of a client who claims that his wages potential is being compromised by FFP, and therefore could be illegal from that perspective.

There's nothing fair or egalitarian about FFP anyway, it's simply the rich ensuring they have less competition from the nouveau riche.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Interesting to read in that it seems that the majority of their fans are clueless about FFP regulations and timescales: One poster asking why the FL haven't taken QPR to court already - that's because accounts aren't required to be submitted for another 2 months. Another saying that the 70m from this years TV money should bring their losses in line - what for season 13/14 that ended in May?

Agreed, most if not all is based on ignorance.

To have a decent argument one is better placed if furnished with the easily available facts. Alternatively you could at like a two year old and keep asking why? Why? Why? It is apparent that's the QPR fans stance.