They could always allow the PL to govern themselves, but point out that the champions of England will be the winners of the Championship, and they, plus the runners up will play in the champions league, and that premiership teams won't be eligible for any cups.
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QPR chief exec on 'no relegation' - utter disgrace
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Tricky Dicky
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No, but I can understand from a purely business point of view, why someone would say that. If my job depended on it, I would think I would too. I in no way agree with it though.
tubaman
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- Nov 2, 2009
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I totally agree. This is money and profit versus football and football MUST win.
I don't understand the logic of this. Teams at the lower end of the table have to buy players to try and keep them up. If there's no threat of relegation, might as well have cheap players and more profit. So several teams will just play a load of shit every week, and watch the money roll in. Then after a few years, the top teams will point out the farce and the money given to the bottom positions will dwindle.
I don't know why anyone is even discussing this, it'll never happen, not now, and not in 50 years time.
I don't know why anyone is even discussing this, it'll never happen, not now, and not in 50 years time.
The Hon Sec
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Dont know the context of this quote but surely this is the way the money men want to go with the European Super League. There wont be any need for a Champions League in their eyes - the Super league will replace it.
It's something that comes up every so often, and it's usually teams at the struggling end of the premier league that are in favour of it.
In the short term, there's no downside. You are and always will be a premier league team, which brings a much larger amount in TV money, regular global exposure, you will get crowds for the big matches, you will be able to pick off some of the better players from lower divisions.
It's long term that there is the issue of lack of interest, which reduces TV fees. Even the biggest football fans will get bored with seeing the same teams beating your side.
One would like to think Tony would have the long term vision to not support it, and would go up with a business plan that doesn't rely on us staying in the premier league every year, so won't need to support to protect the club in the short term.
So who would vote for it?
Man u and Chelsea will probably think it's a non-issue for them
Man city were relegated recently, but have since been taken over by rich rich people who probably see it as a non-issue for them. Will these teams just go with the majority, or will they act to preserve football's tradition?
Arsenal and Liverpool have had scares in recent years they might want to protect themselves, so might generally see it mostly as a non-issue, but jut in case...
Then you get the chasing pack who seem to chance from year to year, sometimes being pushing for europe, sometimes looking over their shoulder at relegation (everton villa, bolton, blackburn, stoke, etc) would they want the security of knowing the bad years won't be so bad?
Perennial stragglers, the ones always down there (wigan, wolves, newest promoted clubs) of course they are going to want to stay up, and their importance is the club under their watch, not the long term health of football.
You then have to factor in the foreign ownership and their lack of knowledge/respect/whatever for the tradition of football. Apparently, Venkys were surprised to learn relegation existed in the premier league. So, why would they worry about ending it?
Ultimately though I think this story is a non-starter. It comes up every so often and is then forgotten about a few weeks later.
In the short term, there's no downside. You are and always will be a premier league team, which brings a much larger amount in TV money, regular global exposure, you will get crowds for the big matches, you will be able to pick off some of the better players from lower divisions.
It's long term that there is the issue of lack of interest, which reduces TV fees. Even the biggest football fans will get bored with seeing the same teams beating your side.
One would like to think Tony would have the long term vision to not support it, and would go up with a business plan that doesn't rely on us staying in the premier league every year, so won't need to support to protect the club in the short term.
So who would vote for it?
Man u and Chelsea will probably think it's a non-issue for them
Man city were relegated recently, but have since been taken over by rich rich people who probably see it as a non-issue for them. Will these teams just go with the majority, or will they act to preserve football's tradition?
Arsenal and Liverpool have had scares in recent years they might want to protect themselves, so might generally see it mostly as a non-issue, but jut in case...
Then you get the chasing pack who seem to chance from year to year, sometimes being pushing for europe, sometimes looking over their shoulder at relegation (everton villa, bolton, blackburn, stoke, etc) would they want the security of knowing the bad years won't be so bad?
Perennial stragglers, the ones always down there (wigan, wolves, newest promoted clubs) of course they are going to want to stay up, and their importance is the club under their watch, not the long term health of football.
You then have to factor in the foreign ownership and their lack of knowledge/respect/whatever for the tradition of football. Apparently, Venkys were surprised to learn relegation existed in the premier league. So, why would they worry about ending it?
Ultimately though I think this story is a non-starter. It comes up every so often and is then forgotten about a few weeks later.
But if there's no relegation there'd have to be no promotion, or else the premier league will just keep expanding, so the only way for the top players from the lower leagues to get to the promise land of the premier league would be to accept lower wages. It becomes a buyer's market. Yes, the clubs won't waste money on silly wages, but they won't necessarily buy bad players.
I can understand the argument for no relegation - it alllows clubs to plan for the medium to longer term. But the fact is that it will NEVER work here. There are too many clubs that could legitimately support Premiership football at any given point in time, and pulling up the drawbridge unfairly leaves those clubs in the cold.
It is illogical to draw comparisons with North American sport, as those franchises pay a large fee for the privelege to play in the league when they first enter. It would be more logical to compare the results to those in Rugby League where three year licenses have been granted, to little effect. In fact, the Welsh team pulled out and Bradford Bulls (one of the biggest clubs) are in big financial trouble.
There are much simpler steps that could be taken to improve the health of the professional game, which are pretty much universally called for by most football supporters in this country. Firstly, implement some league one cost constraint measures (much as Platini has advocated). Secondly, actually practise what they preach with the fit and proper owner tests. I'm sure there are others. Go and send a delegation to Germany and see how they are managing. The Premiership owners can bleat about wanting the best players in the world all they want, but it doesn't seem to have negatively impacted German football having to accept ever so slightly less than the very best players in exchange for a sustainable football league pyramid (and excellent national team).
It is illogical to draw comparisons with North American sport, as those franchises pay a large fee for the privelege to play in the league when they first enter. It would be more logical to compare the results to those in Rugby League where three year licenses have been granted, to little effect. In fact, the Welsh team pulled out and Bradford Bulls (one of the biggest clubs) are in big financial trouble.
There are much simpler steps that could be taken to improve the health of the professional game, which are pretty much universally called for by most football supporters in this country. Firstly, implement some league one cost constraint measures (much as Platini has advocated). Secondly, actually practise what they preach with the fit and proper owner tests. I'm sure there are others. Go and send a delegation to Germany and see how they are managing. The Premiership owners can bleat about wanting the best players in the world all they want, but it doesn't seem to have negatively impacted German football having to accept ever so slightly less than the very best players in exchange for a sustainable football league pyramid (and excellent national team).
I hate the idea but i dont buy into the doom merchants.
The premier league would become its own entity and championship would become the top league in giving it extra prestige. Would premier league sides be allowed in the FA/league cup at this point? Would they even be eligible for England's European places? It would definately be time for the FA to step in and protect english football with these kind of arguments.
They could effectively become a league without a country and i would expect to see the QPRs and Boltons quickly dropped for foreign sides as it morphed in the SuperPremierLeague(tm).
The premier league would become its own entity and championship would become the top league in giving it extra prestige. Would premier league sides be allowed in the FA/league cup at this point? Would they even be eligible for England's European places? It would definately be time for the FA to step in and protect english football with these kind of arguments.
They could effectively become a league without a country and i would expect to see the QPRs and Boltons quickly dropped for foreign sides as it morphed in the SuperPremierLeague(tm).
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
I can remember Scally at Gillingham wanting to change the Championship into "Premier League Division 2" and pull up the drawbridge on all the 3rd and 4th division clubs. Guess what league Gillingham were in at the time.
Odious twunt. Their every defeat brings me a little bit of satisfaction, and I DEEPLY enjoyed their last-day relegation to the basement a couple of years ago.
Lovely stuff.
Odious twunt. Their every defeat brings me a little bit of satisfaction, and I DEEPLY enjoyed their last-day relegation to the basement a couple of years ago.
Lovely stuff.
But it is incredibly shortsighted - banish relegation and everyone would eventually lose interest completely in the Premiership. QPR fans would just stop going as there would be no point to their next 50 seasons.
Don't forget that clubs also get enormous sums of money from sponsorship, corporates etc. (and of course fans). So even if money was their only objective it would still be worth their while competing in the league because no-one's going to sponsor or invest in a team that loses every week. Doesn't make no relegation a good idea, of course.
Tricky Dicky
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I don't disagree, I was putting forward his possible motives, not mine. But, anyway, football is very short-sighted, just look at managers being sacked after losing half a dozen games.
kevo
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- Mar 8, 2008
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Surely one of the things that makes most seasons in the Premier League interesting is the relegation battle? This would render the majority of Premier League games completely meaningless (especially if one team breaks away at the top) which is in no-one's long-term interest, even the TV companies.
Austrian Gull
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This should never be forgotten. May Bolton get their comeuppance, too.
pasty
A different kind of pasty
Good point. How could Sky possibly try and generate interest in a game between Wolves and Bolton for instance, if it wasn't a full on relegation battle. Who would even watch it other than fans of those 2 clubs.
Austrian Gull
Well-known member
Quite true. Sky would surely be against this. The title is often wrapped up before the last day of the season and they often show relegation clashes. These games would be rendered meaningless.
And there would be no more scenes of fat Geordies crying into their pies as Shearer the messiah leads them into the Championship.
gazingdown
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- Feb 26, 2011
- 1,072
Maybe, to make the votes "truly" fair is to select the teams that will be in the PL out of a hat (form all 92 teams). That will stop the incumbent PL teams from being quite so biased on this matter.
The CE of QPR should be careful what he wishes for. If - and it's a big if, IMHO - the big clibs did decide to get together and have a top league of twenty clubs, with no relegation, then you can bet that they would also vote on which twenty "big name" clubs they would want to have in that league........and QPR wouldn't be one of them!