Punk not as important as former punk thinks

[rcf0712]

Only a handful of 50 year old men who were there at the time like punk.

Everyone else thinks its shite.

You sir are either fishing or a numbskull of the highest order, and yes, I will be 50 this month before you ask.

 

[Bladders]

You sir are either fishing or a numbskull of the highest order, and yes, I will be 50 this month before you ask.

I got the same reaction when I said Mopeds were shit.

 

[Sweetie]

That era was awesome if you were in your 20's. Loved it but punk was a tad overrated. Preferred the New Wave stuff myself.

 

[Superphil]

I loved it, when I first heard age 11/12 in around late 1977 I thought it was so much more exciting/interesting than the music I'd been exposed to previously. I was too young to see any of the formative bands at the time, but as soon as I could escape the clutches of the boarding school I went to (about 1981ish) I managed to get myself along to gigs in and around Brighton and the surrounding area. Whilst my musical taste is very eclectic, I still listen to a reasonable amount of the old stuff, the classics like the Damned, Slaughter & the Dogs & SLF, and also some of the horrible hardcore stuff like Discharge, Exploited, even the Crass, Flux of Pink Indians & Zounds stuff occupies space on my iPod. Even now, on occasion I go along and watch the old timers still doing it live now. I tend to concur, Punk's not Dead.

 

[PFJ]

Music to a lot of people is very personal . I f**kin love punk and find it quite insulting when someone just says it's shite. Give me a valid reason why you think it's shite and I will listen . There is a lot of music I detest , but I will give a reason why.
Did it change anything radically ? Probably not . Depending on what punk bands you listened to would more than likely depend on your politics . Conflict /Anarchists , Angelic Upstarts /Socialist , Screwdriver /Facist and there were all those in between . Did it change popular music in this country .Nope . The charts were still uninspiring 4-5 years on . Yes we got the occasional treat on TOTP's , Exploited , UK Subs , Cockney Rejects , but it was thin on the ground in sea of party bands and electo pop.
Did it inspire other bands yet to come ..........most definatly. Not only future punk bands , Agnostic Front , Cro Mags , Sick of it All , Green Day.....but countless metal bands who now decided to use GBH , Discharge and the like as their template , rather than Sabbath.
Metallica , Anthrax, Slayer , Sepultura Machine Head ....(it goes on) were clearly influenced by punk. Their album sleeves are littered with references as are the t shirts sometimes worn on stage .
Clearly if you are into different kinds of music, than those listed above it probably won't mean a jot. If you , like me , still venture out and watch bands who play this kind of music , then it means a hell of a lot .

 

[SouthCoastOwl]

Hated punk in 1976 because I was listening to Genesis, Tull, ELP, Yes, Fairport, Steeleye, Zeppelin, Sabbath..............etc

Nowadays I'm still listening to all of the above but my CD colection also has a shed load of mainstream punk stuff, I wish I hadn't been quite so blinkered in my formative years. I probably missed out on some cracking gigs.

 

[PFJ]

Hated punk in 1976 because I was listening to Genesis, Tull, ELP, Yes, Fairport, Steeleye, Zeppelin, Sabbath..............etc

Nowadays I'm still listening to all of the above but my CD colection also has a shed load of mainstream punk stuff, I wish I hadn't been quite so blinkered in my formative years. I probably missed out on some cracking gigs.

Likewise . Punk was year zero to me , so all the bands you mention I also detested . Finally cought up at Knebworth to see Led Zep , but totally missed out the original Ozzy era Sabbath .That is something I very much regret .

 

[BadFish]

Only a handful of 50 year old men who were there at the time like punk.

Everyone else thinks its shite.

40- years old and wasn't there but i ****ing love punk!

I also now live in a country where it didn't have such an influence. Does it make a difference, I think it does. (although I concede that this is probably because i like punk influenced music)

 

[brakespear]

Incremental vcash listings +1 per post And I thought most punk was over-rated and still do, although I am still a bit confused as to what exactly is 'punk' - the only things I can think of that I liked were Buzzcocks, The Ruts and Stiff Little Fingers. I was only seven or so though Prederred the US stuff from DK and the like onwards.

 

[BadFish]

MOST amusing.

Historians have taken issue with claims made in the autobiography of former Septic Nipples drummer Logan, which include the assertion that punk “changed everything”.

Full text: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/punk-not-as-important-as-former-punk-thinks-2014060387161

funny article though

 

[CheeseRolls]

Punk also released a wave of creativity, that went way beyond music. One obvious example is football fanzines, that can be traced back to music fanzines from the punk days, the whole get off your arse and make things happen ethos influenced a huge number of people and probably still does.

 

[El Presidente]

Only a handful of 50 year old men who were there at the time like punk.

Everyone else thinks its shite.

I'm in my 50's and I love it. I think I have my copy of Teenage Warning autographed by Mensi somewhere unimportant.

 

[loz]

Music to a lot of people is very personal . I f**kin love punk and find it quite insulting when someone just says it's shite. Give me a valid reason why you think it's shite and I will listen . There is a lot of music I detest , but I will give a reason why.
Did it change anything radically ? Probably not . Depending on what punk bands you listened to would more than likely depend on your politics . Conflict /Anarchists , Angelic Upstarts /Socialist , Screwdriver /Facist and there were all those in between . Did it change popular music in this country .Nope . The charts were still uninspiring 4-5 years on . Yes we got the occasional treat on TOTP's , Exploited , UK Subs , Cockney Rejects , but it was thin on the ground in sea of party bands and electo pop.
Did it inspire other bands yet to come ..........most definatly. Not only future punk bands , Agnostic Front , Cro Mags , Sick of it All , Green Day.....but countless metal bands who now decided to use GBH , Discharge and the like as their template , rather than Sabbath.
Metallica , Anthrax, Slayer , Sepultura Machine Head ....(it goes on) were clearly influenced by punk. Their album sleeves are littered with references as are the t shirts sometimes worn on stage .
Clearly if you are into different kinds of music, than those listed above it probably won't mean a jot. If you , like me , still venture out and watch bands who play this kind of music , then it means a hell of a lot .

Very much all of the above.

I will be turning 50 this year and still go to many gigs mostly in Brighton. Got very much into the Anarcho punk bands / late 80s travelers, and it all very much altered my way of thinking and way I live my life now.

The song below is about the commercialization of the 1st wave punk, the 2nd wave 1978 was in my view what happens when 14 / 15 year olds are let down by their punk hero's !!

A song by Crass.

Yes that's right, punk is dead,
It's just another cheap product for the consumers head.
Bubblegum rock on plastic transistors,
Schoolboy sedition backed by big time promoters.
CBS promote the Clash,
But it ain't for revolution, it's just for cash.
Punk became a fashion just like hippy used to be
And it ain't got a thing to do with you or me.

Movements are systems and systems kill.
Movements are expressions of the public will.
Punk became a movement cos we all felt lost,
But the leaders sold out and now we all pay the cost.
Punk narcissism was social napalm,
Steve Jones started doing real harm.
Preaching revolution, anarchy and change
As he sucked from the system that had given him his name.

Well I'm tired of staring through shit stained glass,
Tired of staring up a superstars arse,
I've got an arse and crap and a name,
I'm just waiting for my fifteen minutes fame.
Steve Jones you're napalm,
If you're so pretty (vacant) why do you swarm?
Patti Smith you're napalm,
You write with your hand but it's Rimbaud's arm.

And me, yes I, do I want to burn?
Is there something I can learn?
Do I need a business man to promote my angle?
Can I resist the carrots that fame and fortune dangle?
I see the velvet zippies in their bondage gear,
The social elite with safety-pins in their ear,
I watch and understand that it don't mean a thing,
The scorpions might attack, but the systems stole the sting.

PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD.
PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD.
PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD.

 

[W.C.]

Going back to the OP's article and I don't intend to dismiss Wozza's taste in humour or anything but this is as good a place to say it as any; I ****ING hate the Daily Mash. I still click on links people post thinking I might get some laughs but it's always the same: Kind of amusing headline that pokes fun at whatever. Followed by an 'article' that basically repeats that joke for a few paragraphs. You might as well put the lorem ipsum text under the headlines for all the difference it would make.

Funnier people post on here.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Only a handful of 50 year old men who were there at the time like punk.

Everyone else thinks its shite.

I'm in my 50's and I love it. I think I have my copy of Teenage Warning autographed by Mensi somewhere unimportant.

I have a promo copy of The RUTS - Grin and Bear It. I know exactly where it is, because it is in one of those 12" picture frames hanging on the wall at the top of the stairs.
I also have a 7" copy of the Sex Pistols - Holidays in the Sun, in the attic. I gave my dad the money to buy this one as I was only about 11. He was a civil servant and nipped into a record shop during his lunch break to buy this one. This of course puts me on the south side of 50, so shut it Bladders you Soul Boy

 

[Brovion]

When a genre's motto/slogan is about how it's HONESTLY not dead, it's gonna be a bit shit.

Anyone notice how classical music fans don't feel the need to constantly justify their music's existence?

Indeed. I don't go round saying "Mozart's not dead!" Well, ok, he is really, but his music certainly isn't. Punk, whilst great fun, was (past tense) ultimately a very limited genre: three guitars and a drum playing short, simple songs mainly in 4/4. It had nowhere to go, nowhere to evolve and it ultimately died. Modern Dance music is far more innovative, and the best 70s albums (like Dark Side of the Moon) were already made long before Jonny Rotten swore on TV.

Each to their own of course, and if people really think The Clash were the best band ever then fair enough. But as was pointed out those people do tend to be sad old men in their 50s.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Only a handful of 50 year old men who were there at the time like punk.

Everyone else thinks its shite.

I'm in my 50's and I love it. I think I have my copy of Teenage Warning autographed by Mensi somewhere unimportant.

Leaning heavily on the example from my friend in Tel Aviv, I would just point out that the Clash have had far more Top 40 hits than Mozart, even though they totally refused to go on Top of The Pops. When did Mozart ever refuse to be on the Top music TV programme of his day ?

Indeed. I don't go round saying "Mozart's not dead!" Well, ok, he is really, but his music certainly isn't. Punk, whilst great fun, was (past tense) ultimately a very limited genre: three guitars and a drum playing short, simple songs mainly in 4/4. It had nowhere to go, nowhere to evolve and it ultimately died. Modern Dance music is far more innovative, and the best 70s albums (like Dark Side of the Moon) were already made long before Jonny Rotten swore on TV.

Each to their own of course, and if people really think The Clash were the best band ever then fair enough. But as was pointed out those people do tend to be sad old men in their 50s.

 

[Seagull kimchi]

Incremental vcash listings +1 per post And I thought most punk was over-rated and still do, although I am still a bit confused as to what exactly is 'punk' - the only things I can think of that I liked were Buzzcocks, The Ruts and Stiff Little Fingers. I was only seven or so though Prederred the US stuff from DK and the like onwards.

You may like to have a listen to some of the '80's festival punk of Subhumans/Citizen Fish/Culture shock. The song 'Civilisation street' (Culture Shock)would be a good song to start with. I recon you would enjoy it. Friendly suggestion.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

I got the same reaction when I said Mopeds were shit.

You shouldn't have, as Mopeds are for granny's and are as you state.
Now, if you had been clever enough and slim enough to say Scooters then....

 

[Mellotron]

I especially hate "Pop" Punk yet I think Billy Talent are superb. A bizarre contradiction. I suppose they aren't quite "Pop" but they are very mainstream.