[Football] Public School/ fee paying school educated footballers

[ken tiler]

Does everyone pay at St John's ? When I went to De la Salle , Hove ( a long time ago) they streamed it so there was a fee paying stream and an optional fee paying stream for kids who passed the 11 plus , I was in the latter stream and didn't pay but technically went to a private school...
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As did Peter Bonnetti ex chelsea and England who was a De la Salle pupil when it was at the Xaverian College near Queens Park.

 

[Mr H]

Does everyone pay at St John's ? When I went to De la Salle , Hove ( a long time ago) they streamed it so there was a fee paying stream and an optional fee paying stream for kids who passed the 11 plus , I was in the latter stream and didn't pay but technically went to a private school...
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When Steve was there it was what was known as a Direct Grant Grammar School, with about 50% fee paying students. After 1975 they went 100% private.

 

[Wardy's twin]

As did Peter Bonnetti ex chelsea and England who was a De la Salle pupil when it was at the Xaverian College near Queens Park.

I had his dictionary when i was in year one - his name was near the top of a list of previous owners

 

[Springal]

Isn’t Bamford the nephew of the Forest owner that died in a helicopter crash ? And then there was a fall out with his family and the new owners and he left to go to Chelsea

 

[knocky1]

Bernardo went to Private School in São Paulo. What you’d expect when Daddy is a Brazilian international. Only black kid there.

 

[Wardy's twin]

I was offered a place at Brighton College under this premise in 1981. My parents refused. I'm grateful for it. I would have hated it.

I understand why parents send their kids to private school and don't judge. But sometimes it just doesn't add up.

A former boss of mine sent her kid to a private school, despite having the opportunity to move to the St Luke's catchment area, the most sought after primary school in the country. My family and me went there and I did my best to encourage her to send her kid there and save thousands of pounds. It's been outstanding for decades. She didn't.

I just don't get that.

Fortunately De La Salle was not all posh and the 'A' stream had a lot of kids from less well off areas fed from schools like St Joseph's & St John the Baptist. B stream was money as was some of the A stream.

 

[Wardy's twin]

When Steve was there it was what was known as a Direct Grant Grammar School, with about 50% fee paying students. After 1975 they went 100% private.

Same set up as the Hove school but then that became a Comprehensive when all the catholic seconday schools merged into it.

When did you finish teaching there, i think a few of the brothers moved down there.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

In many cases a private education does not go hand in hand with a privileged background. I had a scholarship to a very cheap private school. There are lots of associated costs and these combined with fees of my siblings meant we never went on holidays etc. All of my school friends came from similar backgrounds and indeed friends at the local state school lived in bigger houses. Many parents choose between spending the money on private schooling or buying a more expensive house close to a good state school. Having said all that if the players mentioned all come from expensive public schools and large family homes then ignore everything I just said.

A lifetime of family sacrifice just so you could have a deft command of the subjunctive?

(As you can probably tell, I'm bored with watching Fulham limp their way to a victory against the busted flush )

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I suppose football (as a player, not behind the scenes) is one of the few insanely well-paid and highly visible professions that are pure meritocracies and where an old school tie or string-pulling by mummy and daddy count for nothing.

Unlike, say, the pop, TV and film industries, for example.

There are a few players who seemed to have had a leg up due to their father. Alex Ferguson’s son seemed to be at clubs due to his name and not his talent. And Ashley Neal, how this person even became a footballer is beyond me.

 

[BNthree]

Bernardo went to Private School in São Paulo. What you’d expect when Daddy is a Brazilian international. Only black kid there.

A lot of white collar/middle class Brazilians send their kids to fee paying schools. A much bigger % than here.

 

[Mr H]

Same set up as the Hove school but then that became a Comprehensive when all the catholic seconday schools merged into it.

When did you finish teaching there, i think a few of the brothers moved down there.

I taught at Portsmouth Southern Grammar School from 1969 to 1974 and then at LCS until retirement

 

[Chicken Run]

Joe Gatting Brighton College.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

There are a few players who seemed to have had a leg up due to their father. Alex Ferguson’s son seemed to be at clubs due to his name and not his talent. And Ashley Neal, how this person even became a footballer is beyond me.

Rare exceptions to the rule. You may get a trial due to daddy or big brother, or even a short contract in the lower leagues, but if you're shit....

Here's how it normally pans out:

 

[Bakero]

A lot of white collar/middle class Brazilians send their kids to fee paying schools. A much bigger % than here.

Same in Spain. In fact, about a 3rd of kids go to a fee-paying school. However, as many of the private schools are subsidised by the state, the costs are far lower than the private system in the UK.

 

[McTavish]

I played against Stuart Robson (Arsenal and West Ham) when he was at Brentwood School (posh, private).

 

[Arkwright]

In addition to the likes of Bamford and Hughes, there's not many (around 40), but certainly more than one might at first think.

Current players that made it to the top level include:

Fraser Forster (RGS Newcastle)
Victor Moses (Whitgift)
Callum Hudson-Odoi (Whitgift)
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (St John's College, Southsea)
Michael Keane (St Bede's, Manchester)

Some from the past:

Barry Horne (The King's School, Chester)
David Howells (Charterhouse)
Colin Pates (Whitgift)

I think I'm right in saying that Whitgift take in many students on sports scholarships. Steve Kember was the head of football recently so I presume the better players are scouted by either Palace or Chelsea.
Whitgift are also strong in the National Schools rugby competitions.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

A lifetime of family sacrifice just so you could have a deft command of the subjunctive?

(As you can probably tell, I'm bored with watching Fulham limp their way to a victory against the busted flush )

Not my choice but they did what they thought was right. That’s all you can ask

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Not my choice but they did what they thought was right. That’s all you can ask

I was only joshing. I would have done the same. Moved down here in part for the grammar schools for the kids. And me, a Trained Marxist

 

[Shooting Star]

Sorry if mentioned elsewhere but Ipswich's James Norwood went to St. Bede's.

 

[stingray]

In Australia over 40% of children attend private schools. Private education is subsidised by the state.