[Football] Proud Seagulls

[Hotchilidog]

Wow is thread still going on?

That a few posters seem to want to register their objections/misunderstanding of the group is incredibly disappointing to say the least. I'd have thought that Edna's post would shut everybody up but sadly not.

Hetero snowflakes who'd have thunk it.

 

[The Large One]

Inherent homophobia? from me? yeah ok then!

Did I say you? You must have a guilty conscience. I made no reference to you - implied or explicit - in that statement.

 

[bhanutz]

Did I say you? You must have a guilty conscience. I made no reference to you - implied or explicit - in that statement.

No guilt at all...just to put you straight!

 

[The Large One]

No guilt at all...just to put you straight!

Didn't need to be 'put straight'. It's you who believed I was zeroing in on you. I wasn't.

You've hardly commented on the supporters' group, nor on the wider social and biological concept of sexuality. You've mostly commented about me - which is slightly baffling.

 

[Simster]

Sexuality has nothing to do with it. A gay man is still a man. His only difference from you or me is a sexual preference.

That's completely separate from a discussion on gender and biological sex.

Obviously I don't disagree with any of that, because it's little more than a truism.

I am taking issue with your response to "The simple fact that there seems no grasp here of the difference between gender and sexuality..." which was to declare that a "new narrative".

It isn't a new narrative in the context of this discussion: JCFG was using the word "gender" when he meant "sexuality". It seems you misinterpreted the context, not me.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Yes, but "sex" and "sexuality" are not the same. I'm assuming your sex (ie, your gender) is "male". I'm also assuming your sexuality is "straight". Your sexuality isn't "male".

Sexuality is irrelevant.

I was simply saying there are two genders. The term male was created to describe those with a penis, female for those with a vagina.

Now we have people wanting to change that

Take for example a "new gender" called Alexigender: a gender that is fluid between more than one gender but the individual cannot tell what those genders are.

That is not a gender imo, that's a feeling, a thought, trying to place Alexigender as a term along side male as a recognised gender is heading down the path of normalising a potential mental illness issue.

If people want to believe or live their lives by these thoughts go for it. That's their choice and right. But when as you see in Canada they are using the law to force people to recognise this mindset then it becomes very problematic.

 

[bhanutz]

Didn't need to be 'put straight'. It's you who believed I was zeroing in on you. I wasn't.

You've hardly commented on the supporters' group, nor on the wider social and biological concept of sexuality. You've mostly commented about me - which is slightly baffling.

My comment was, It doesn't bother me either way... Just found you to be rude. But I will let that go as you appear to be passionate about it. Have a good day.

 

[Falmer Flutter ©]

Sexuality is irrelevant.

I was simply saying there are two genders. The term male was created to describe those with a penis, female for those with a vagina.

Now we have people wanting to change that

Take for example a "new gender" called Alexigender: a gender that is fluid between more than one gender but the individual cannot tell what those genders are.

That is not a gender imo, that's a feeling, a thought, trying to place Alexigender as a term along side male as a recognised gender is heading down the path of normalising a potential mental illness issue.

If people want to believe or live their lives by these thoughts go for it. That's their choice and right. But when as you see in Canada they are using the law to force people to recognise this mindset then it becomes very problematic.

No, I get all that. The point is is that you have written numerous times that there is no difference between gender and sexuality. That's like saying there's no difference between an apple and a pen. Now you're saying that sexuality doesn't come into it. That's left me, and several others, a little confused.

 

[Simster]

Sexuality is irrelevant.

I was simply saying there are two genders. The term male was created to describe those with a penis, female for those with a vagina.

Now we have people wanting to change that

And there in a nutshell is where you're wrong as far as I can see. I don't think anybody on this thread was saying that at all, unless you can point out where that was being said? JCFG was simply using gender when he meant sexuality, then getting arsey when a question couldn't be answered.

This isn't a discussion about how we define gender, it's whether a LGBTQ -centric supporters group is a good thing.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Obviously I don't disagree with any of that, because it's little more than a truism.

I am taking issue with your response to "The simple fact that there seems no grasp here of the difference between gender and sexuality..." which was to declare that a "new narrative".

It isn't a new narrative in the context of this discussion: JCFG was using the word "gender" when he meant "sexuality". It seems you misinterpreted the context, not me.

Well gender shouldn't be used when discussing sexuality. So I responded to the correct definition.

It is a new narrative, identity politics is going bat shit crazy and that something that's only reared its ugly head in the last 10-20 years.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

And there in a nutshell is where you're wrong as far as I can see. I don't think anybody on this thread was saying that at all, unless you can point out where that was being said? JCFG was simply using gender when he meant sexuality, then getting arsey when a question couldn't be answered.

This isn't a discussion about how we define gender, it's whether a LGBTQ -centric supporters group is a good thing.

Fair enough, perhaps I misread it.

Doesn't mean it won't be pushed as a narrative if other parts of the world are any indication. Time will tell.

 

[Chicken Run]

My comment was, It doesn't bother me either way... Just found you to be rude. But I will let that go as you appear to be passionate about it. Have a good day.

TLO comes across as rude, he isn’t he’s just misunderstood, I hope that helps?

 

[Simster]

Fair enough, perhaps I misread it.

More accurately, you dived in without bothering to read ANY of the posts prior to the page you were on. If you had done so, you wouldn't have come across as such a complete SPOON.

 

[Chicken Run]

TLO, superior and patrionising?

It's got to be better than him mentioning that he does some sort of radio show.....

Radio show, he never said lol

 

[dejavuatbtn]

No, they’re not.

“Oh yes they are” said the newly formed Albion Pantomime Dames Appreciation Society Fan Club.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

More accurately, you dived in without bothering to read ANY of the posts prior to the page you were on. If you had done so, you wouldn't have come across as such a complete SPOON.

And in a free world I can do that.

Long live free speech.

 

[Bladders]

Just rest your mouth.

What ever you say, tough guy.

 

[Taybha]

At least the curry nights will be more fun .

 

[Bladders]

And in a free world I can do that.

Long live free speech.

Don't be daft, you're going to be shouted down until you are forced to agree that this separate supporters group based on someone's sexuality is needed.

Unfortunately the usual thickos of the forum still cant work out the difference between what is questioning why something is needed and what is genuine bigotry and homophobia.


I think I'll to the football only threads where at least a modicum of sanity prevails.