[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

[Chicken Run]

Well it was quite like a classic pub fight. Take the ballys and flags away and you've got shite arse gobs off to wrong group. Gets battered. Some of the group are trying to give him shoeing on the ground but most of them consider it done and get them to stop.
As an aside I find it somewhat odd that Yaxley Lennon, Farage and most of the rest that get so agitated by the prospect of immigrants flooding the country and possibly even taking it over are such staunch supporters of Israel.

I’m only linking this because @sydney was called a liar, i appreciate @Deportivo Seagull was never just going to reply with “Ok fair enough “

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I’m only linking this because @sydney was called a liar, i appreciate @Deportivo Seagull was never just going to reply with “Ok fair enough “

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I guess what I was trying to say is that you can sympathise with parts of a cause without needing to snag up towns, or condone those that do, that’s all.

And I also think it’s very easy for people in Brighton to have no concerns about immigration, while thinking they are living in some kind of multi-cultural melting-pot, where as the reality is it is a vastly white city with a few language schools, some 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants and a few people on holiday. It simply hasn’t had the kind of immigration that places like Bradford and Luton have had.

That's all very true.

And I am certainly in favour of a conversation about national demographics.

That mean:
Numbers of immigrants linked to unfilled job vacancies,
Rules about work permits and rights of abode,
Strategic planning (house building and accompanying infrastructure)

Unfortunately we have always had a bit of a free for all in the UK. Ironically the type of National Planning required to oversee people and infrastructure would resemble socialism and a threat to the free market, the Nanny State telling us where we can live and where we can work.

I am sure that governments (even the last one) spent and spend some time thinking about all this. To what extent do we want central government interfering with all this stuff?

Stepping away from all that, if I as an individual felt that I can't get a hospital appointment because of poor immigrants blocking the system, or can't afford a house because of rich immigrants inflating the house market, then I would feel that I should probably get my facts right before getting exercised.

Interesting conversation

I have to go to a meeting now.... back later.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The good are the people that can protest peacefully with a genuine concern, the bad are protestors that riot and cause damage. It's not difficult to understand

But what is half way between? Largely peaceful with just a bit of fighting and one or two rocks?

I though you meant a position or attitude between the rioters and the rest of us. Actually I'm not really following what you are saying at all....

 

[Napper]

It's not 'planned' until 8 o'clock. I came up Queen's road about 30 minutes ago and a big fat nothing.

I'm planning to be there at 7.30 tonight for the anti rally when I am expecting a similar big fat nothing. I'll keep you up to date

yeah dont think anything will happen now.

Its all done for now

 

[British Bulldog]

But what is half way between? Largely peaceful with just a bit of fighting and one or two rocks?

I though you meant a position or attitude between the rioters and the rest of us. Actually I'm not really following what you are saying at all....

I can see your not understanding my point at all, then again just trying to take a middle point of view and see things from all sides doesn't seem to fit the narrative of this thread. IMHO that's the exact attitude that is stirring up trouble in the country, you have to take sides.

 

[jackalbion]

Just been through Gillingham Town Centre, shops boarded up everywhere, no riot planned, just how it is.

 

[jcdenton08]

Update: just asked my mate who works in Brighton, he says he saw a rozzer eating a sandwich outside M&S Food at the station. No word on the filling.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I can see your not understanding my point at all, then again just trying to take a middle point of view and see things from all sides doesn't seem to fit the narrative of this thread. IMHO that's the exact attitude that is stirring up trouble in the country, you have to take sides.

You're really not answering the question. There is no middle ground between rioting and not rioting. Either you do or you don't. There is no middle ground between racism and non-racism. Either you're a racist or you're not. You can't just be non racist mostly but do a bit of casual abusing of the Chinese at weekends.

 

[Commander]

Just been through Gillingham Town Centre, shops boarded up everywhere, no riot planned, just how it is.

At least Gillingham will be improved I guess.

Damnit. Didn’t read your post properly before I made my hilarious gag.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

But you’ll agree he wasn’t lying?

He tried to link it to the myth of a Muslim Defence League.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The good are the people that can protest peacefully with a genuine concern, the bad are protestors that riot and cause damage. It's not difficult to understand

Where are the good protests?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Without speaking for him, I would suggest that he is suggesting that a lot of people are concerned about immigration in this country for a number of reasons, and these rioters are at the extreme end of the scale, and that this concern has manifested itself into this. The inability to be able to have a sensible conversation about immigration without being called RACIST if you have concerns about it in this country, has got us to the point where suddenly people don't care if they are called RACIST anymore. And that is what is happening outside. All that stuff had bubbled beneath the surface for so long, then something happened that, for whatever reason, tipped people over the edge, and now it's all kicked off.

I would add something more to that.

People who have been genuinely worried about immigration have been strung along from Theresa May's “The aim is to create, here in Britain, a really hostile environment for illegal immigrants" which was over a decade ago, through Johnson and Farage's 'Take back control' Leave campaign 8 years ago through to Sunak's Rwanda policy. Lies after lies after lies whilst immigration has continually risen to record levels.

The Government gradually closing every way of claiming asylum and then building up of the backlog of Asylum seekers (and the costs of that) has deliberately and inhumanely added fuel to the fire.

The huge increase in immigration over the last 5 years from outside of Europe as a result of Brexit further fuels it.

It's hardly surprising that they are angry having been lied to constantly, but attacking the police, making racist threats, trying to destroy mosques, kill asylum seekers and trashing the country is complete feral f***wittery and has to be treated as such together with those that encourage and support it.

So maybe once the feral scum who are doing this have been put away we can have that sensible conversation about immigration which will also have to include the economy, services, pensions, the NHS, the benefit system, housing etc as they are all intrinsically linked.

Because when Yaxley-Lennon, Farage, Anderson, Patel, Braverman etc claim they're not, they are lying. And worse, they are telling these lies because they think that the British electorate don't understand and that they will personally gain out of it

 

[loz]

A bit of humour in these sad times.

 

[Napper]

Either you're a racist or you're not.

life isn't like that, I know loads of people that are a "little bit racist " with some things. Outwardly they wouldn't treat those people different and wouldn't incite or participate in abuse but they are " a little bit racist.

In fact some have friends from the demographic they are a bit racist about. It's often a laugh between r those people .

Also , it depends what is racist now. If someone has concerns about some things and raises it in this thread .... they are certainly accused of racist.

It's interesting one and quite damaging to just chuck out the racist tag.

The more the line to racist is moved , you actually find the more people that are racist as per recent "protests" ( not talking about the violent minority )

Good to discuss but of course will be shut down

 

[WATFORD zero]

The good are the people that can protest peacefully with a genuine concern, the bad are protestors that riot and cause damage. It's not difficult to understand

Sorry, I hadn't seen any reporting of these peaceful protests from people with a genuine concern.

Probably being kept off the front pages by all these riots

 

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At least Gillingham will be improved I guess.

Damnit. Didn’t read your post properly before I made my hilarious gag.

I saw a map in the news that showed Hastings has a protest planned for tonight but it also just said "Kent" - what the whole of Kent? Anyway what I was wondering is how long before the police don't have enough resources to handle a football match and somewhere up and down the county a game is postponed? Anyway for what its worth my idea is its obvious Labour havnt a handle of the situation so why not have a join venture with the Tories and Reform so Keir can get a wider perspective on things?

 

[birthofanorange]

My fave so far.

 

[Guinness Boy]

life isn't like that, I know loads of people that are a "little bit racist " with some things. Outwardly they wouldn't treat those people different and wouldn't incite or participate in abuse but they are " a little bit racist.

In fact some have friends from the demographic they are a bit racist about. It's often a laugh between r those people .

Also , it depends what is racist now. If someone has concerns about some things and raises it in this thread .... they are certainly accused of racist.

It's interesting one and quite damaging to just chuck out the racist tag.

The more the line to racist is moved , you actually find the more people that are racist as per recent "protests" ( not talking about the violent minority )

Good to discuss but of course will be shut down

Don't agree.

If you're a little bit racist then you're racist, end of.

Understanding has changed over time for sure (see TV comedy in the 70s, "hilarious" jokes about "Smelly Indians" etc) but that doesn't give you a middle ground in the current situation. If you're out and about protesting about brown and black people or 'the Muslims' then you're a lot racist. You're nowhere near a word in a definition.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

It's not 'planned' until 8 o'clock. I came up Queen's road about 30 minutes ago and a big fat nothing.

I'm planning to be there at 7.30 tonight for the anti rally when I am expecting a similar big fat nothing. I'll keep you up to date

Bit early, getting a few beers in you before it kicks off?