[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

[jcdenton08]

Can I ask a further question of @jcdenton08 :

Once the asylum claim has been processed they become refugees, what is the 'illegal refugee' that you referred to in your original post?

Illegal immigrants or undocumented, or those making false asylum claims (approximately 33%).

 

[portlock seagull]

I'm sure these people rioting also want to bring back the death sentence. Let's give it a go for these scum.

Said a lot of Germans in 1931…..

Wrong year old boy.

 

[dwayne]

Work on integration, good lord. I do not want to integrate with the vast majority of my fellow country men....why on earth would an immigrant? If you want this, make it more attractive for us.

One of my favourite restuarants is in Whitechapel, I know it well.

Please don't say tayyabs lol.

 

[rogersix]

Please name these places and show evidence that home owner's are losing value on their properties.

good luck with that

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So you think if Labour or the Tories talked like Farage they would win back these votes?

I think Farage can keep these votes and his 5 MPs.

People voting for his shit should be ashamed of themselves.

Any 'listening' and pandering to these oafs is off the table as far as I am concenrned.

I am listening no to R5, talking about a bloke wearing a poppy (in August?) and a Swastika. Should we be listening to his concerns or inviting him into the sea?

This. Their argument has been hijacked. If they rid themselves of these violent muppets, have a strong and coherent argument then I'll listen a second time. Until then, it's off the table.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Legally yeah, and they’re paying taxes and contributing to society, not living in a hotel at huge taxpayers expense.

Although I would certainly improve education of British culture, laws and values before granting any visas.

By British culture, laws and values I refer to things like respect for women, the legal age of consent for starters.

That rule would make half the rioters stateless.

 

[jcdenton08]

So you think if Labour or the Tories talked like Farage they would win back these votes?

I think Farage can keep these votes and his 5 MPs.

People voting for his shit should be ashamed of themselves.

Any 'listening' and pandering to these oafs is off the table as far as I am concenrned.

I am listening no to R5, talking about a bloke wearing a poppy (in August?) and a Swastika. Should we be listening to his concerns or inviting him into the sea?

No, because as always, it’s the loud minority who make the headlines not the quiet unhappy workers in Blackburn, Rochdale, Oldham, The Ridings, Clacton and Southend

 

[WATFORD zero]

Same condescending tone as always.

For me there are 2 issues here or 3 really.

1. There is no justification whatsoever for the troubles we saw over the weekend. I hope those idiots get what's coming to them, I can't believe some of the images of people looting with faces clearly on pictures and they don't think they will get caught. Perhaps they just don't fear the consequences.
2. Legal migration, I don't think any right thinking person has a problem with people coming to the country to settle, work and contribute with the funds to support themselves and fit into their new country. We absolutely have a skills gap that needs to be addressed. This can't though be open ended as we just don't have the services to support an unending number. Schools, GP's, Dentists.
3. Illegal migration is another thing altogether, we have a duty to take in our share of asylum seekers but not in this manner. Undocumented arrivals are a serious risk to this country. I don't agree that there is a desire to come to the UK because of family or language, why is it then nearly 90% of arrivals are adult males ?. For me, that they are coming from a "safe" country on a boat paying thousands for the privilege suggests that they are no longer asylum seekers but more economic migrants. Those that fail asylum we are then stuck with if they are from any other countries we have no return agreement with. The fear comes when these then go on to commit serious crimes a la Abdul Ezedi.

Why is it that any simple question you don't like, and can't fault, must therefor have been written in a 'condescending' manner ? It's a simple question FFS.

But if you're going to totally ignore all evidence to the contrary 'I don't agree that there is a desire to come to the UK because of family or language' and instead just going to roll off your 'theories' then I don't think this 'discussion' is getting very far.

Probably condescending again

 

[jcdenton08]

That rule would make half the rioters stateless.

Good!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Good!

A citizenship test for all present and future citizens - I knew we would eventually agree on something this disappointing morning

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Please don't say tayyabs lol.

I'm not going to name it because no doubt you will have been to a bigger, better, cooler, more expensive restaurant than me and everyone else....yawn yawn yawn I'm a 'grandpa' who knows nothing about music remember.

 

[Jim in the West]

Legally yeah, and they’re paying taxes and contributing to society, not living in a hotel at huge taxpayers expense.

Although I would certainly improve education of British culture, laws and values before granting any visas.

By British culture, laws and values I refer to things like respect for women, the legal age of consent for starters.

Let’s start with educating those morons on the street….they clearly have zero respect for our laws.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Why is it that any simple question you don't like, and can't fault, must therefor have been written in a 'condescending' manner ? It's a simple question FFS.

But if you're going to totally ignore all evidence to the contrary 'I don't agree that there is a desire to come to the UK because of family or language' and instead just going to roll off your 'theories' then I don't think this 'discussion' is getting very far.

Probably condescending again

Sorry, I have him on ignore but, where is it he will never go again?

 

[rogersix]

Was my answer not absolutely superb?

In 2010, and directly off the back of comments such as Gordon Brown’s, led to UKIP receiving 13% of the popular vote. These near 4m people aren’t out en masse burning down mosques.

Their “mechanism” is to vote for a party they feel - rightly or wrongly - are listening to them.

Hence a repeat with Reform gaining 14% of the vote share, and over 4m votes in 2024.

another inadequate answer, is there a pattern forming?

 

[dwayne]

I'm not going to name it because no doubt you will have been to a bigger, better, cooler, more expensive restaurant than me and everyone else. I'm a 'grandpa' who knows nothing about music remember.

Why so defensive old man

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Why so defensive old man

Because your tiresome?

 

[BadFish]

Illegal immigrants or undocumented, or those making false asylum claims (approximately 33%).

So Illegal refugees wasn't the right term?

those that are denied asylum are usually deported so it is unlikely to be them.

Who are the illegal immigrants you are referring to?

people usually call those claiming asylum illegal immigrants (although its not illegal to claim asylum from within a country - part of the language used to vilify them). I am unsure what the difference between these and the undocumented people you refer to. But neither of these groups are usually in the community as they are housed in hotels or centres while their claims are being processed.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Poor kid. At least when he next moves in London it can only get better

Well obviously dwayne, he's not as successful as you, but needs must

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Good post, Like most things in life unless it affects you directly you will struggle to see what all the fuss is about.

Lose your job and comfortable life style at 50 because the company you used to work for is now employing cheaper foreign labour and you personally can no longer make the mortgage payments is one still going to be pro immigration?

I was made redundant aged 52 after 25 years in the electricity supply industry. NPower took over, and what was an accounts office, was transferred from where I worked to the NE where instead of paying us £18K a year, the workers were paid £10K a year to just answering the phone in a call centre sticking to a script, and not helping anyone.
So moving work to employ people on cheaper wages can happen within the country, and nothing to do with foreign labour.
All in the name of profits.

 

[Peteinblack]

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We are a tiny island rammed with people, all the homes are gone and rents are sky high because of demand. It is an immigration issue and it’s to late to address it now the damage is done.

There are more empty properties than homeless people, so enough flats and homes to give everyone a roof over their heads.

But the rights of investors who buy several properties and then leave them empty (for investment or tax purposes), and the rights of second-homers, are always vigorously defended.

There were several letters in The Sunday Times yesterday bitterly condemning local councils who tried to keep out people (often wealthy Londoners) who bought a second/holiday home which was empty 50 weeks of the year, and so depleted the stock of (affordable) housing for local/young people.

As always, the problems caused by the uncontrolled free-market, the rights of property-owners, and simple greed, are then blamed on immigrants; it's as tiresome as it is lazy.