[Misc] Professor Dave explains Trans stuff

[BadFish]

https://youtu.be/fpGqFUStcxc

I have watched a few Professor Dave videos of late and thought this one discussing Gender was informative.

I know a lot of us struggle with this on here so although I know this thread will eventually descend into the usual madness, discussion and information is how we get our heads around this stuff.

https://youtu.be/9uZOLtdIA7Y

Here is also his rebuttal from a right leaning commentator who I don't know. I haven't found that video yet but will post for balance if I find it.

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I'm on a medical school examination committee where one of the other examiners is trans. It is so not an issue. Times change, and we move on

Thanks for posting, though

 

[albionalbino]

Everyone should have the freedom to be whoever they are. Doesn't make any difference to me

 

[BN41Albion]

Everyone should have the freedom to be whoever they are. Doesn't make any difference to me

I find it utterly baffling that anyone gives a shit about anyone being who they want to be - why would/should it - as you say it doesn't make a difference to me.

 

[The Clamp]

It’s remarkable to me that anyone can take a look around at the world and all it’s issues and decide that trans people are the problem. It’s clearly immigrants.












This was a joke. Do not become alarmed.

 

[RM-Taylor]

Surely I’m not the only one who read the title as TRAINS and fully expected a lowdown on the recent matchday trains

 

[beorhthelm]

its funny how he simply dismisses objections to transgender issues as coming from the right wing, when an awful lot is coming from feminists, who are broadly left leaning.
then dismisses lightly gender as social construct, claiming neurological/biological roots, then goes onto highlight language used, which is social/cultural issue.
he's right about sports, and maybe about why is the issue controversial. having followed more twitter rants than is sensible, the controversy is coming largely from those trying deny balanced views, wont accept biology or seeking some overt recognition (must have rights over others rights; heinousness of deadnaming).

 

[dsr-burnley]

The question is, does transgender really matter? Most of the things that are getting wound up about are when the most fanatical transgender people do confuse sex with gender. Because for the stuff that actually makes a difference, sex should be the deciding factor in most cases.

Public toilets? Urinals don't work if you haven't got a penis. But honestly, if someone who looks like a man by sex, even if he is a woman by sex and a man by gender, no-one actually cares if he is in the gents because no-one can tell. And vice versa for trans women. Where it matters is when a trans woman who is obviously a sex man is in the ladies toilets, because few women can tell the difference just by looking between a trans woman and a perverted male. And I don't think we should discount the possibility that perverted males would take advantage of the trans situation.

Hospitals? Where male an female matters, in subjects such as testicular cancer, pregnancy, hysterectomy, and the like, it is sex that matters not gender. And where wards are separated for privacy and/or patient safety, it is in almost all cases the presence of a penis that we're being protected from, so again, sex not gender is the deciding point.

Sport? When male and female sports where separated, it was because being of the male sex gives such an across-the-board advantage over the female sex that there is no sensible competition for females if the sexes aren't separated. that hasn't changed.

Schools? If there is a scientific way of separating teenage boys who want to use the girls' changing room because they are female gender, and teenage boys who want to use the girls' changing rooms for other reasons, then we can think a bit harder. But in the mean time, you can't vote, smoke, have tattoos, or have sex before 16 years old because you aren't mature enough to make life changing decisions at that age. No difference here. Let the person be a trans male or trans female if they will, but for lesson and functions separated by sex, sex should still be the dividing point. Whether we have third and fourth sex/gender categories, I doubt.

In terms of marriage or other relationships, male/female has become irrelevant and therefore so is gender. In terms of tax and pensions, it's irrelevant. The equal opportunities law might need looking at, but surely for the time being we must treat different genders the same just as we treat different sexes the same.

So genuine question - what are the aspects of life where it makes a difference whether you are male or female by sex, that should be changed because it is more important whether you are male or female by gender?

 

[smillie's garden]

Surely I’m not the only one who read the title as TRAINS and fully expected a lowdown on the recent matchday trains

I thought it was going to offer insight into how the Alzate deal broke down.

Good video.

 

[chip]

That's "professor" Dave with a second attempt masters in chemistry. Just another YouTube "influencer" stirring the pot. As others have said, who cares what other people are. My partner watches hs stuf, I think he does flat earth and astrology stuff too - designed for a better educated US audience.

 

[BadFish]

That's "professor" Dave with a second attempt masters in chemistry. Just another YouTube "influencer" stirring the pot. As others have said, who cares what other people are. My partner watches hs stuf, I think he does flat earth and astrology stuff too - designed for a better educated US audience.

https://youtu.be/PkA4OImGuBk

Third attempt at a master's according to this video from a few years ago. I don't know if he has now completed it.

I like the stuff I have seen he explains things clearly, although clearly has no time for the flat earthers.

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[Tyrone Biggums]

It should be like religion and God.

An atheist shouldn't be forced into believing in a concept nor forced into pretending something they don't see exists. They have for a long time now had the freedom to call it out or mock it as they saw fit.

This should be the same for trans.

People are right that trans people should be able to believe whatever they want, that's their right. The flip side to that is nobody else should be compelled to believe in what the trans person believes or thinks.

We are now getting to the point though of anyone who isn't a believer can face real life consequences for not believing in something that to their eyes doesn't exist.

That's not progressive, that's regressive and it's where it begins to become problematic.

 

[BadFish]

The question is, does transgender really matter? Most of the things that are getting wound up about are when the most fanatical transgender people do confuse sex with gender. Because for the stuff that actually makes a difference, sex should be the deciding factor in most cases.

Public toilets? Urinals don't work if you haven't got a penis. But honestly, if someone who looks like a man by sex, even if he is a woman by sex and a man by gender, no-one actually cares if he is in the gents because no-one can tell. And vice versa for trans women. Where it matters is when a trans woman who is obviously a sex man is in the ladies toilets, because few women can tell the difference just by looking between a trans woman and a perverted male. And I don't think we should discount the possibility that perverted males would take advantage of the trans situation.

Hospitals? Where male an female matters, in subjects such as testicular cancer, pregnancy, hysterectomy, and the like, it is sex that matters not gender. And where wards are separated for privacy and/or patient safety, it is in almost all cases the presence of a penis that we're being protected from, so again, sex not gender is the deciding point.

Sport? When male and female sports where separated, it was because being of the male sex gives such an across-the-board advantage over the female sex that there is no sensible competition for females if the sexes aren't separated. that hasn't changed.

Schools? If there is a scientific way of separating teenage boys who want to use the girls' changing room because they are female gender, and teenage boys who want to use the girls' changing rooms for other reasons, then we can think a bit harder. But in the mean time, you can't vote, smoke, have tattoos, or have sex before 16 years old because you aren't mature enough to make life changing decisions at that age. No difference here. Let the person be a trans male or trans female if they will, but for lesson and functions separated by sex, sex should still be the dividing point. Whether we have third and fourth sex/gender categories, I doubt.

In terms of marriage or other relationships, male/female has become irrelevant and therefore so is gender. In terms of tax and pensions, it's irrelevant. The equal opportunities law might need looking at, but surely for the time being we must treat different genders the same just as we treat different sexes the same.

So genuine question - what are the aspects of life where it makes a difference whether you are male or female by sex, that should be changed because it is more important whether you are male or female by gender?

Iin answer to your question I would say this. There are a few instances where sex does matter. You have outlined a few aspects that need to be worked through. We are fairly close to the begging of our acceptance of this issue and need time, patience and understanding to work out the best way to deal with the issues in the best way. We will get it wrong as we attempt to get it right.

Other than those situations I would say that gender is more important, as this is about how people feel and about their identity. It has little to no affect on other people so, as people have mentioned in this thread who cares what people are . . . We are getting better at accepting others.

In short though it really depends on the situation and the affect it has on others. And we will work that out through discussion and respect. One of the issues with this conversation is that we shine the spotlight on those who struggle with discussion and respect and let their actions define the debate.

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[BadFish]

It should be like religion and God.

An atheist shouldn't be forced into believing in a concept nor forced into pretending something they don't see exists. They have for a long time now had the freedom to call it out or mock it as they saw fit.
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A more fitting analogy would be the notion that a creationist shouldn't be forced into believing in evolution or atheism.

Or a flat earther shouldn't be forced into believing in the global earth.

I guess though it does work both ways and people are free to believe in whatever they want not matter what science tells us.

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[The Maharajah of Sydney]

Surely I’m not the only one who read the title as TRAINS and fully expected a lowdown on the recent matchday trains

No your not the only one mistaken. I clicked onto the thread expecting to read about some inside info on Albion's strategic transfer policy...

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

We can believe what we want.

Belief is sacrosanct.

It isn't always useful.

You can work out examples for yourselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufTorYzOPyc

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

A more fitting analogy would be the notion that a creationist shouldn't be forced into believing in evolution or atheism.

Or a flat earther shouldn't be forced into believing in the global earth.

I guess though it does work both ways and people are free to believe in whatever they want not matter what science tells us.

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Trans isn't based on science. It's based on feelings.

Same as religion,

If a trans woman and a man are buried next to each other in 100 years if an archaeologist digs them up they will conclude it is two men.

People are being forced to believe in trans as it's being pushed onto people in work places as being real and you can't question that belief system.

 

[dsr-burnley]

A more fitting analogy would be the notion that a creationist shouldn't be forced into believing in evolution or atheism.

Or a flat earther shouldn't be forced into believing in the global earth.

I guess though it does work both ways and people are free to believe in whatever they want not matter what science tells us.

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Within reason, of course. I'm 57, but if I believed I was 67 I still wouldn't get a pension, and if I believed I was 7 I still wouldn't be allowed into school. Society should accept my belief only to the extent that it doesn't disadvantage society as a whole. Hence my comments earlier suggesting that most of the aspects of sex/gender where gender would override sex are trivial areas where it makes little difference. Call a transwoman "madam" by all means, but if she still has a penis, she is not going into a woman's jail.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Within reason, of course. I'm 57, but if I believed I was 67 I still wouldn't get a pension, and if I believed I was 7 I still wouldn't be allowed into school. Society should accept my belief only to the extent that it doesn't disadvantage society as a whole. Hence my comments earlier suggesting that most of the aspects of sex/gender where gender would override sex are trivial areas where it makes little difference. Call a transwoman "madam" by all means, but if she still has a penis, she is not going into a woman's jail.

Actually they are. Similar stories in the US and Oz.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ho-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

 

[Stato]

Trans isn't based on science. It's based on feelings.

Everything is based on science, including feelings. Emotional responses are chemical reactions.