From little acorns.What a pleasure to have a proper team, not a bunch of overentitled, overrated 'PL superstar' smegbuckets.
From little acorns.What a pleasure to have a proper team, not a bunch of overentitled, overrated 'PL superstar' smegbuckets.
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Normally I'd agree 100%. I am certainly far less pissed off this morning than, say, when we didn't beat Middlesbrough, and an England World victory would still have been eclipsed by the Hereford draw for me.Exactly, I felt 100 times more pleasure when we beat Arsenal and Man U than any England wins
Felt as though many had given up on England. The last few weeks have put some pride back in supporting England. For me a WC win would still surpass everything and that includes the Albion
I think the pride in the country, the pride in the flag, and the unity felt have been an ENORMOUS bonus from all of this.
I'm sick and tired of the St. Georges cross, and any pride in our nation being taken as meaning you are some sort of right wing, EDL, Tommy Robinson nutter. Phrases like "little englander" drive me insane.
To be a proud Englishman, to display a St. Georges cross, should not automatically make people think of racism and xenophobia, but that is where we are at times. This World Cup has brought back a completely different feel. Forget politicians rowing about this that and the other it is GARETH SOUTHGATE and his united band of humble, classy individuals who have worked fantastically as a team, that has delivered this sea change.
Long may it last.
couldn't agree more ....you don't have to be a far right nutter to be proud of the flag and your country of birth......being made to feel guilty for being a proud Englishman/woman/personand this whole pc issue is severely damaging the social fabric of our country ....imho
Normally I'd agree 100%. I am certainly far less pissed off this morning than, say, when we didn't beat Middlesbrough, and an England World victory would still have been eclipsed by the Hereford draw for me.
But I felt a different atmosphere in the country this time, responding to a different team and a different management style, far more realistic - like we Albion fans are - and that was great. Shame we couldn't have won it.
Some football fan 'snobs' got all upset about non-football bods jumping on the bandwagon, the more the merrier I thought, it was driving the momentum.
I heard of a girl in Hove wearing a Croatia shirt getting punched in the face last night, sad that the knuckle-draggers are still around.
I think the pride in the country, the pride in the flag, and the unity felt have been an ENORMOUS bonus from all of this.
I'm sick and tired of the St. Georges cross, and any pride in our nation being taken as meaning you are some sort of right wing, EDL, Tommy Robinson nutter. Phrases like "little englander" drive me insane.
To be a proud Englishman, to display a St. Georges cross, should not automatically make people think of racism and xenophobia, but that is where we are at times. This World Cup has brought back a completely different feel. Forget politicians rowing about this that and the other it is GARETH SOUTHGATE and his united band of humble, classy individuals who have worked fantastically as a team, that has delivered this sea change.
Long may it last.
im sick and tired of people using tommy robinson as an example of a "right wing nutter" without really knowing anything about him
I heard of a girl in Hove wearing a Croatia shirt getting punched in the face last night, sad that the knuckle-draggers are still around.
I don't think that's it, you look at Wembley for any of the '66 games, and there are plenty of flags but people bought Union flags. I wasn't there, but I think in '66 most Englishmen associated themselves as British, and therefore waved the British flag. I think that has stayed the case until the last 2 decades or so, and perhaps coupled with the political devolution of power, it has changed. Prior to that the only people waving a St George's Cross were the far right and the nationalists.
It is an evolving thing with regards to national identity, Mexico '86 and Italia '90 were still more union flags than St George's, not until Euro'96 there is a swing toward the cross, and in my lifetime the first time ordinary people appeared to say that the St George's Cross is no longer the symbol of the right and the hooligans, we're taking it back, and you're right, with Scotland in our group at Euro '96, it probably did encourage that identity association.
This is exactly as I remember it (I was 19 at Euro 96) - it had been Union flags up to then but we drew Scotland so that made no sense, people went with st george vs the saltire and then after the euphoria of the tournament (which I still remember as more hysterical than this time - which may be age/nostalgia, a reflection of a home tournament or just the fact that we really could and should have won it) it seemed instantly "reclaimed" from the right wing nutters
Hmmm, do you not think devolution in Scotland and Wales (as delivered by Tony B) has anything to do with the relatively recent emergence of the SGC as a symbol for English people? Since this time Salmond and Sturgeon have skillfully become a divisive construct in the broader view of what the British has become.
Further in these days of multi culturalism where British citizenship is available to any Tom, Dick or Mohamed it would appear to follow that many Scots, Welsh and English would revert to their historic reference points.
I think Euro 96 is a minor detail.
Totally agree. But it's the nutters that have stopped folk from being comfortable with it.
This is exactly as I remember it (I was 19 at Euro 96) - it had been Union flags up to then but we drew Scotland so that made no sense, people went with st george vs the saltire and then after the euphoria of the tournament (which I still remember as more hysterical than this time - which may be age/nostalgia, a reflection of a home tournament or just the fact that we really could and should have won it) it seemed instantly "reclaimed" from the right wing nutters