Prevent Donald Trump from making a state visit to the United Kingdom - petition

[Herr Tubthumper]

That's right I don't, this matter is just like the outcomes of football matches, referendums and general elections in that there are different outcomes possible.

You think the ban won't be overturned by Trump because of the legal constitutional framework, I think it will..........so let's see what happens?

But why do you think he can turn over the constitution? Im really keen to know and further my understanding. Or are you simply talking shit?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I am not an expert on the process here.

You don't need to be an expert. The American constitution is a very reasonably simple, clear and an easily accessible document. As are the rules of change.

 

[studio150]

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This is surely taking things too far now, there must be something in place to stop the US president from asking the population to blame a judge for interpreting the law. Lets hope they hold Trump to account if something happens to this judge.

I dont believe that people are pouring in with the ban lifted as they still need visas but no doubt his supporters will take it as being a fact. Period.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I dont believe that people are pouring in with the ban lifted as they still need visas but no doubt his supporters will take it as being a fact. Period.

Someone really needs to take away his Twitter account. Do any other heads of state carry on like this?

 

[Eeyore]

Someone really needs to take away his Twitter account. Do any other heads of state carry on like this?

Why take it away ? It puts most folks view of him beyond doubt.

 

[knocky1]

Trump becoming President by the US democratic electoral system does not give him the right to break US Constitutional Laws. He fingered his way and evaded taxes through Criminal Law but he'll hit the wall with the Constitution.

 

[sparkie]

Someone really needs to take away his Twitter account. Do any other heads of state carry on like this?

They are just giving him rope to hang himself with.

Once he declares war on Iran via twitter they'll 25th ammend him, and declare him not mentally fit enough to carry on in office.

 

[knocky1]

Someone really needs to take away his Twitter account. Do any other heads of state carry on like this?

Why take away the pen and not the holder?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

An amendment to the constitution must also be ratified by at least three quarters of the legislatures of the 51 individual states. That is around 38 states.

51? Which is the 51st? Please tell me that Theresa hasn't done something she shouldn't.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

They are just giving him rope to hang himself with.

Once he declares war on Iran via twitter they'll 25th ammend him, and declare him not mentally fit enough to carry on in office.

I wonder if he'll try and use the "locker room banter" argument.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

51? Which is the 51st? Please tell me that Theresa hasn't done something she shouldn't.

That was the part of the referendum which wasn't widely publicised.

 

[Two Professors]

Perhaps while the whining lefties on here are looking for the 51st state,they could also try and find a President who hasn't used Executive decrees since George Washington.Even your hero wasn't averse to using them and doesn't seem that keen on immigration!

 

[studio150]

Perhaps while the whining lefties on here are looking for the 51st state,they could also try and find a President who hasn't used Executive decrees since George Washington.Even your hero wasn't averse to using them and doesn't seem that keen on immigration!
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Have you read what you posted?

............harder for illegal immigrants........

As opposed to Trump making it harder for people who have documentation to enter the USA legally,

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Perhaps while the whining lefties on here are looking for the 51st state,they could also try and find a President who hasn't used Executive decrees since George Washington.Even your hero wasn't averse to using them and doesn't seem that keen on immigration!
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All presidents issue them. This isn't the real issue, or the point.

 

[GT49er]

Have you read what you posted?

............harder for illegal immigrants........

As opposed to Trump making it harder for people who have documentation to enter the USA legally,

Talk about missing the point!

 

[beorhthelm]

Talk about missing the point!

not really, made a fair point. everyone following this knows executive orders are common (dozens a year issued). the reference to Obama is being misapplied, not only a different detail but didn't run foul of existing law. Trumps does, which is why judges have imposed injunction on it.

 

[nicko31]

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This is surely taking things too far now, there must be something in place to stop the US president from asking the population to blame a judge for interpreting the law. Lets hope they hold Trump to account if something happens to this judge.

It was close to happening here when the high court said we do have the rule of parliament over art 50, many Tory MP's on the right were happy to try and ride rough shed over the rule of law to please the Daily Mail

Mob rule to the peasants seem to be the way some would like it, the law is only there when you want it or when you need it.

 

[GT49er]

not really, made a fair point. everyone following this knows executive orders are common (dozens a year issued). the reference to Obama is being misapplied, not only a different detail but didn't run foul of existing law. Trumps does, which is why judges have imposed injunction on it.

The point being made, and that was missed, is that Obama also used Executive Orders. Not about Obama's view on immigrants.

 

[GT49er]

It was close to happening here when the high court said we do have the rule of parliament over art 50, many Tory MP's on the right were happy to try and ride rough shed over the rule of law to please the Daily Mail.

And then Parliament democratically voted to expedite Brexit according to the will of the electorate as expressed by the referendum, even though a majority didn't agree with leaving the EU.
If the same principles of democracy apply in the States, then the appropriate number of Senators and Congressmen would vote to change the law so that Trump's policy can become law. Can't see that happening somehow!

 

[MattBackHome]

not really, made a fair point. everyone following this knows executive orders are common (dozens a year issued). the reference to Obama is being misapplied, not only a different detail but didn't run foul of existing law. Trumps does, which is why judges have imposed injunction on it.

Precisely. It's a false equivalence. Executive orders themselves are not the problem - and I'm not sure anyone is saying they are.