I'm sure they've explained, haven't they, that rather than LYING, she simply 'mis-spoke' ?
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I'm sure they've explained, haven't they, that rather than LYING, she simply 'mis-spoke' ?
Yes, but you're not his target audience. He's talking to his core vote who's understanding is at that level. They love him hitting out at the same things they hate and until that stops they'll follow him relentlessly. In fact, I think the real problems could start if moves are made to remove Trump.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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and you know what thats all about? Hillary apparently had donations from a chap who once owned stake in a company years ago, that owns uranium deposits that is/was in some sort of business deal with a Russian business. for a man who's personal business dealings are opaque that's a decidedly dodgy area to start scratching out. there were several of these sorts of claims during the campaign, and seems Trump forgets that its over, Hillary is gone now.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The American reporter on BBC Breakfast got it right when he said, Trump needs to stop campaigning and start being a president.
The problem is that he hasn't got a clue how.
I think that his plan was to launch a number of Presidential Decrees and show everyone that he alone was able to get anything done. Now these are being stopped he's hitting out at the reasons for the blockage - Congress, senate, judges etc. As a powerful businessman he's probably used to bullying his opponents into allowing him to have what he wants (often in exchange for something else). I don't think he has ever had an understanding of how complex the process of enacting new laws is - and I certainly don't think he has the stomach for such a long process. Once he starts getting bogged down in the details I wonder how long it will be before he starts to lose interest and look for other things to do - like Syria, Iran, N Korea etc. That will be when it gets really scary.
Absolutely. ...or acting within Laws.
Diego Napier
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- Mar 27, 2010
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I think the really worrying thing is that Trump and his cohorts aren't failing to understand current day western politics, they are redefining it. They know they have unwavering support from a significant mass of the largely unquestioning, unthinking, susceptible electorate. They know they don't need to try too hard, their propaganda (or call it populist click bait or false news) is swallowed hook line & sinker. Trump won the election. Democracy in action. Don't question the outcome. War is Peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
brightn'ove
cringe
That press conference even turned Fox News against him - now THAT is saying something.
Neville's Breakfast
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Yes that's exactly the reaction to losing elections we see in developing countries.....insulting the voters of the winning
side. We need to persuade not insult those who voted Trump if we are ever to make a change. You are critical of the democratic process for choosing leaders and you are using precisely the same reactionary arguments used by the nineteenth century patrician class in opposing universal suffrage. Do you realize that progress on social issues in the west has happened because of and through the democratic process because they sure wouldn't have happened if
left to Westminster, the Bishops and the nobility.
Are you arguing for a return to decisions being taken by 'educated gentlemen' ? If not then what are you proposing as your alternative to universal suffrage ?
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nicko31
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Even Rupert thinks he's a muppet
brightn'ove
cringe
I'm fairly sure his only support in the media now is the white-supremacist Breitbart.
I'm warming to the idea of President Pence, at least he has zero chance of winning 2020.
Garry Nelson's Left Foot
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Misspoke. Alternative facts. This Trump administration is getting a bit The Office meets 1984.
Diego Napier
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- Mar 27, 2010
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Whoa, getting a bit carried away with yourself there. "nineteenth century patrician class"? "universal suffrage"? "educated gentleman"? Talk about pompous, self-righteous indignation. Calm down dear, calm down.
And stop putting words in my mouth by implication.
"Insulting the voters of the winning side"? No, I'm explaining that a majority of his support is unquestioning, unthinking and susceptible (and gullible, parochial, unimaginative, prejudiced, & selfish to boot). That's not insulting, that is reality.
"We need to persuade"? That's just presumptive twaddle. You might feel the need, count me out. "We need to persuade"? How? You've got as much chance as a snowball in hell. The only way to effect change is to persuade them not to vote, deny them the vote or hope for either constitutional change or impeachment.
"Are you arguing for a return to decisions being taken by 'educated gentlemen'?'" No although an enormous step forward would be 'educated women and men'.
"If not then what are you proposing as your alternative to universal suffrage ?" In the absence of the veritable benign dictator, a qualifying test, a bit like the driving test.
Keeping it simple, what I am saying is that democracy has been a very useful belief system for keeping the populace quiescent. It's been refined and tweaked during the last century to further gratify and appease the proletariat, comforted in their belief that through the electoral process they would make a difference. And so maintaining the have/have not status quo. The illusion has been preserved by democratic parties and major corporations playing and controlling the game. Unfortunately for the ruling elite in America, the Democrats but far more significantly the Republicans took their eye off the ball by underestimated the ability of populism to rip up the rule book in an interconnected world. In the past they controlled with ease inanities/anomalies like Reagan who was no more that an ex-film star totally pliant puppet. Trump is a game changer.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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Wow, that's very interesting and further damnation as if anymore were needed! I'm very well thank you for asking and I hope similarly....? Actually, let's not pretend. We're all crapping ourselves about promotion aren't we?!!! I spend weekends looking through my hands and have started attending church!
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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what i mean it, Trump and his team dont understand the process of politics, how to get policy enacted and delivered. you need to get the legislators (congressman and senators in this case) to back your policies, and by extension get their constituents to support a policy, and have local issues and pet prjects addressed to maintain loyalty. alienating the media and political classes does not help his cause, because in a couple years when he's done nothing, people are tired of hearing "the media say fake news", see their local representatives distant from him or saying he isnt helping or is blocking their causes, they'll be turning on Trump. he cant play this game for long.
nicko31
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To be fair probably more White Nationalist than Supremacist, Trump is more Farage than Griffin. A lot of 70+ generation are like that
Trump has 2 years, after mid term elections any power he has will be more limited.
He didn't call Trump a white supremacist. He was referring to Breitbart (ie BANNON) who absolutely IS.
daveinprague
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The one Im having trouble with today, from the idiot who raved about wiki-leaks during his campaign, is the 'leaking was illegal, and the news about it was fake' regarding Flynn
This ****er just dribbles.
This ****er just dribbles.