[Politics] Pretty Vicious PMQ NHS Exchange

[NooBHA]

Johnson was a shambolic mess at PMQ's today as were a lot of his MP's , fancy barracking Corbyn for wearing a Grenfell tie ? I can't wait to see Johnson at the televised debates unless he is put under lock and key till December 13th

I have no time for Johnson but he will be fine in the Debates because he will be pretty much scripted and extremely repetitive.

Jezza will be more at risk because he is less likely to avoid slippery subjects. That's why I respect him so much but it can be his downfall sometimes in that he would rather be disliked than dishonest.

Boris Johnson on the other hand doesn't care whether he is disliked or dishonest

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

i'd be surprised if Johnson doesnt do TV debates. he loves the limelight, a couple of hours in front of millions of people to waffle on, he'll be up for it.

Johnson will do the live TV debates.
In Latin.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Please don't show them the truth!

Labour is trying to influence the young with project fear again, it's ironic that they try to pin Boris to be the biggest liar.

The difference is Boris is what he is.

Corbyn isn't what he portrays, the man wears the mask of deceit.

I am very worried about your state of mind.
You do realise that is Boris Johnson as PM don't you.
Sacked twice for lying, a serial lier, even for a politician a man never to be trusted.
Corbyn worries me, yes, but are you really that stupid to not see right through Johnson and the rest of the Tory cabinet for that matter.
NHS spending, even if they put in what they say they are going to will still be well below the average given to the NHS over the past 50 years.

 

[GOM]

The NHS is a money pit, albeit a wonderful money pit, and it would be impossible not to under fund it regardless of how much you threw at it.

 

[Is it PotG?]

The NHS is a money pit, albeit a wonderful money pit, and it would be impossible not to under fund it regardless of how much you threw at it.

Absolutely this.

Needs to seriously sorted, no longer fit for the purpose it was set up for due to numbers/life expectancy. An unsustainable business model.

 

[vegster]

Please don't show them the truth!

Labour is trying to influence the young with project fear again, it's ironic that they try to pin Boris to be the biggest liar.

The difference is Boris is what he is.

Corbyn isn't what he portrays, the man wears the mask of deceit.

Can you guess which one of Johnson and Corbyn will be helping out in the homeless shelter again this Christmas ?

 

[MattBackHome]

The NHS is a money pit, albeit a wonderful money pit, and it would be impossible not to under fund it regardless of how much you threw at it.

'Underfunding' in this context has a very specific meaning; the shortfall between current funding plans and the funding required to sustain current levels of service over the next 10-20 years (I can't remember the exact number). It is absolutely not impossible to bridge this gap.

I reckon your wider point is valid though, in that we should be funding it to actually improve the level of care (and outcomes) rather than aim for par with now. I'd argue that NHS spending should be somewhere nearer 200bn

 

[Palacefinder General]

I’m sure if Johnson, Cameron and their parents clubbed together they could quite comfortably cover the NHS shortfall and still have enough left over for their annual ‘Bullingdon Old Boys’ subscriptIons.

 

[Giraffe]

Health spending has dropped as % of GDP and hasn't kept up with the minimum required +4%pa, nor is it expected to any time soon.

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Most organisations would expect to gain efficiencies as they grow. Surely the NHS, being one of the biggest should as well? Therefore the % comparison against GDP is a real red herring.

They need to be buying cheaper drugs from the US for starters.

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

Johnson v Corbyn. Corbyn actually doing a 'Come On Then!' gesture at Johnson across the house Pretty vicious stuff. You can tell there's an election pending. Crying shame that it'll be Brexit that carries the day.

Which is precisely why an election should be abandoned and we should have a people's vote instead. People will be forced to vote tactically to pursue or try and stop Brexit and will end possibly voting for a party they would never have dreamt of voting for, probably don't agree with much of their other policy, just Brexit.

Have an election, fine BUT it must be coupled with a second referendum with No deal, Remain and the current deal as the three options.

 

[rippleman]

Max Hastings wrote recently:

“I would not take Boris's word about whether it is Monday or Tuesday … He is also a far more ruthless, and frankly nastier, figure than the public appreciates … I would not trust him with my wife nor - from painful experience - my wallet”.

I would imagine few know Boris better than his former employer.

 

[beorhthelm]

I'd argue that NHS spending should be somewhere nearer 200bn

so you'd just lump on 60bn, about 50% more. why and where?

 

[BLOCK F]

Oh Gawd, another 6 weeks of this.

 

[Titanic]

Only 28% of women trust Jezza on the NHS. WTF??

 

[MattBackHome]

Most organisations would expect to gain efficiencies as they grow. Surely the NHS, being one of the biggest should as well?

I think you're right to focus on efficiency. Of course the NHS should be expected to display improved efficiencies. Hence the 5-year-forward plan to save c.20bn.

Therefore the % comparison against GDP is a real red herring.

I think it's an extremely pertinent figure.

They need to be buying cheaper drugs from the US for starters.

Cheaper US drugs doesn't necessarily square with the plan to shift towards a greater proportion of generic drugs being described; this is expected to deliver the some of the greatest efficiencies over the next few years, something like 50% more items prescribed for +5% spend (again sorry I can't remember the exact figures). Some of these generics are already being bought from America.

 

[MattBackHome]

so you'd just lump on 60bn, about 50% more. why and where?

Why? I reckon it's important and that it needs it. Where? Across the board.

 

[GT49er]

Only 28% of women trust Jezza on the NHS. WTF??

The other 72% of women have their heads screwed on properly? Shock horror, eh?

 

[MattBackHome]

Only 28% of women trust Jezza on the NHS. WTF??

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Blimey that 55-65 pot looks like it could be a free for all. Wouldn't they traditionally be more weighted towards BoJo?

 

[Iggle Piggle]

I'd be amazed if Johnson takes part in any live TV debates. They'll pull the same guff that they did when May bottled it, saying she preferred to "get out and about and meet the voters", when the real reason was that she had all the charisma of a stale breadstick, and was completely incapable of doing anything other than endlessly repeating soundbites from a carefully prepared script. Answering direct questions on the hoof was her worst nightmare.

Johnson is also completely incapable of answering questions put to him (he's certainly not unique in that). But his advisors also will know that he is even more capable of running his mouth off, spouting unquantified bollocks off the top of his head, and digging himself into a bloody great hole.

I stand to be corrected, but I will be genuinely surprised if he is put in front of an audience with the other party leaders in a live TV debate.

Surely, they will have learnt their lesson from May? Sending Rudd out was the equivalent of the football manager who sits in the stand for cup games and lets the Number 2 play manager before the reserves get turned over by Colchester. Boris will say the wrong thing at some point but everyone is expecting that to happen anyway. If Blair or Cameron said the wrong thing it was big news as they were so polished, Johnson has spouted 'Get Stuffed' 'Pillar boxes' and god knows what else but still remains popular in comparison to Jezza. He would have to have a failure of epic proportions to shift attitudes now.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Needs to seriously sorted, no longer fit for the purpose it was set up for due to numbers/life expectancy. An unsustainable business model.

What is it they say about Tories? Oh yes, they know the cost of everything and the value of nothing