I like refs who let things go, who allow strong challenges and don't blow up when people go over easily. A ref can let a game flow like that if he wants, but then VAR can come in and say 'we don't want you reffing like that, that's a foul'. I think that's where the subjectivity comes in, it's not a fact that that's a foul if he is not penalising similar challenges the same way.
Wasnt that situation one where the ref was called to the screen by VAR who thought it was a penalty, but whilst watching the replay the ref spotted a foul on a brighton player in the build-up so rejected the penalty claim.
Eh? You can't not give a penalty against Liverpool on the basis that Liverpool handballed it. It's simple advantage.
As well as the spurs incident (I thought it was March, not Lamptey), there was the MArseille game where the ref ruled no penalty, was sent to look at the screen and he ruled we had commited a foul before their player, so still no penalty (but did give a free kick that he hadn't before, but since VAR can't intervene on free kicks, he would have been advising him to look for the penalty).
While some may view that as a common sense approach (I wouldn't argue against it) there's no rule that says he has to play the advantage. And if you're a cynic, you might argue that it would be the way the ref would go to protect the big six side.
You may be correct, that’s just the only incident I can recall where the referee was sent to the monitor and the outcome/decision wasn’t changed.
Trying to be objective about it, if the ref goes to the screen, plays the video several times, and uncovers a mistake that both he and VAR have made, then that's a good thing, no?
That was marseille. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67014105
I would have the ref check every penalty decision he gives without chatting to VAR, just as a matter of protocol.
For those watching on TV maybe, from the in stadium experience VAR is absolutely dreadful, if we could hear some break down or snippets of discussions about what’s going on it would be useful.
It feels a bit weird if the VAR sees the foul by us he doesn't just stick with the onfield decisioon and let the game play on, but generally no complaints. I was just offering examples of refs not changing their mind when going to the screen, and trying to be clear about the situation becuase he kinda did change his mind in that he gave a free kick he wasn't originally going to give, but didn't change his mind because he kept it as no penalty, so wasn't sure if that would meet the brief.
but the majority of viewers are no longer in the stadium.
Yes, fair point.
You say correct decision, but how many times this season have we seen VAR intervene and stil give howler decisions or VAR NOT intervening despite obvious errors.
I don’t remember the Lamptey incident but didn’t we have a goal upheld after VAR review and ref to the screen at Villa Park? VAR thought March had fouled a Villa player in the build up and sent ref to the screen but ref stuck with his original decision.
Howler decisions can still be made, but I would have thought there will be fewer of them if both the on-field ref and the VAR look at it and are given the time and space to do so.
