[Albion] Premier League 21-24/12/23

[Bodian]

Amazing that that foul was deemed in the same phase of play but the foul on March up there was deemed a different one even though it directly led to a goal.

I don't think the March one was to do with the phase of play, more that when the ref went to the screen he didn't see enough evidence of a foul by March so stuck with his original decision?

I'm fairly sure the VAR concluded it was a foul but it was a different phase of play and the ref wasn't asked to look at the monitor. In any case it was the clearest foul anyone could ever see.

Think these may have been different events - or even a conflation of events?

The 'foul' BY March led to Mitoma scoring. The ref did go to the monitor - and stuck with his decision (this was against Spurs - not Villa)

There was a foul ON March v Villa that wasn't given as a penalty.

There was also a penalty awarded against March v Villa that was then overturned after ref went to the monitor - but I think that was a different game?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

There's something dodgy about grease head not sure what but he is very odd. Steve Coogan gives me the creeps and he could be a character of his.

 

[OzMike]

Ref extending play to even things up.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Think these may have been different events - or even a conflation of events?

The 'foul' BY March led to Mitoma scoring. The ref did go to the monitor - and stuck with his decision (this was against Spurs - not Villa)

There was a foul ON March v Villa that wasn't given as a penalty.

There was also a penalty awarded against March v Villa that was then overturned after ref went to the monitor - but I think that was a different game?

I think you are right only it was a goal by Lamptey against Spurs not Mitoma.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54679345

 

[Deadly Danson]

Think these may have been different events - or even a conflation of events?

The 'foul' BY March led to Mitoma scoring. The ref did go to the monitor - and stuck with his decision (this was against Spurs - not Villa)

There was a foul ON March v Villa that wasn't given as a penalty.

There was also a penalty awarded against March v Villa that was then overturned after ref went to the monitor - but I think that was a different game?

No, this season away to Villa. From the Guardians "how it happened" report:

There was a foul on March in the build-up but it wasn’t given and Villa counter-attacked to devastating effect once again. After good play from Watkins, Diaby shot straight at Steele, then mishit a follow-up that was going well wide until the off-balance Estupinan unwittingly turned it into his own net.

It’s being checked by VAR.

 

[Littlemo]

Tbf if that disallowed goal was ours I’d be raging, absolutely awful decision.

 

[Bodian]

No, this season away to Villa. From the Guardians "how it happened" report:

There was a foul on March in the build-up but it wasn’t given and Villa counter-attacked to devastating effect once again. After good play from Watkins, Diaby shot straight at Steele, then mishit a follow-up that was going well wide until the off-balance Estupinan unwittingly turned it into his own net.

It’s being checked by VAR.

Oh yes - I'd been trying to put that game out of my mind. Amazing how many VAR decisions there have been against Villa!

 

[Deadly Danson]

Oh yes - I'd been trying to put that game out of my mind. Amazing how many VAR decisions there have been against Villa!

Glad to have reminded you of that awful day .

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Tbf if that disallowed goal was ours I’d be raging, absolutely awful decision.

Nah. You can argue about processes and phases all you like, but the bottom line is that Ramsey DID pull the keeper back by one arm, which stopped him coming for the cross. You can’t get that annoyed that the officials - by whatever process - see it, and give it.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I do surprise myself sometimes - I knew I REALLY dislike Villa - but not quite how much, until I found myself celebrating that Sheffield United goal like an Albion winner.

 

[Littlemo]

Nah. You can argue about processes and phases all you like, but the bottom line is that Ramsey DID pull the keeper back by one arm, which stopped him coming for the cross. You can’t get that annoyed that the officials - by whatever process - see it, and give it.

Lots of fouls go unpenalised though, especially in the box, not all are relevant. If it leads to a goal then of course it gets chalked off but in this case, it’s a new phase of play. The Sheffield players get the ball and should have cleared it, the keeper was on his feet and set for the play. The foul had no impact at all on the play for the subsequent goal.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Lots of fouls go unpenalised though, especially in the box, not all are relevant. If it leads to a goal then of course it gets chalked off but in this case, it’s a new phase of play. The Sheffield players get the ball and should have cleared it, the keeper was on his feet and set for the play. The foul had no impact at all on the play for the subsequent goal.

They SHOULD have cleared it, but they didn’t. The PGMOL measure of when they are deemed to have full control (and thus the attacking phase is over) is when a defender successfully completes a pass to a teammate. Because Baldock’s (terrible) pass was intercepted, that is not deemed the case. I agree that they've had a lucky escape, but not that Villa can feel too aggrieved.

 

[Littlemo]

They SHOULD have cleared it, but they didn’t. The PGMOL measure of when they are deemed to have full control (and thus the attacking phase is over) is when a defender successfully completes a pass to a teammate. Because Baldock’s (terrible) pass was intercepted, that is not deemed the case. I agree that they've had a lucky escape, but not that Villa can feel too aggrieved.

They did complete a pass, a Sheffield player passed it to Baldock.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Oh yes - I'd been trying to put that game out of my mind. Amazing how many VAR decisions there have been against Villa!

It was a blatant foul?

This is why I feel sorry for refs, saw on Twitter etc "VAR howler"

It's the correct call

 

[hans kraay fan club]

They did complete a pass, a Sheffield player passed it to Baldock.

Did they? I thought it just bounced off someone to him.
The bottom line is that it almost certainly stopped Villa winning, and going top of the league - so definitely a very GOOD call.

 

[Littlemo]

Did they? I thought it just bounced off someone to him.
The bottom line is that it almost certainly stopped Villa winning, and going top of the league - so definitely a very GOOD call.

Yeah there was a short pass forward to him.

I just think that if you want to address all the VAR stuff then we have to look at all the decisions, not just our own.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Yeah there was a short pass forward to him.

I just think that if you want to address all the VAR stuff then we have to look at all the decisions, not just our own.

There's no pass rule.

The scramble came about from the keeper not being able to catch it

 

[Littlemo]

There's no pass rule.

The scramble came about from the keeper not being able to catch it

Yeah but they reset, had the ball under control and were playing out, the scramble was over.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Yeah but they reset, had the ball under control and were playing out, the scramble was over.

They didn't get out their area /just got out

Still under pressure

 

[Littlemo]

They didn't get out their area /just got out

Still under pressure

We would be screaming if that was us. We’ve been screaming for much closer stuff we’ll have to agree to disagree, i feel like it was a good goal.