[Albion] Premier League 21-23/08/21

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If we want to stay up, being above Arsenal is an absolute must.

Lucky I didn't have a mouthfull of wine when I read that or I'd now be on the phone to PC World

And yet....my first reaction was to instantly nod in agreement

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

How hilarious would it be if NSC did one of these every game with whining and moaning members invited along

bw2, neilbard, adjudicated by THPP the morning after he's had a bellyfull of Buckfast.

I'd watch. Come on!

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Can we beat Everton next week? It's early days, but you have to think it's a possibility - even though their form isn't too bad. Small cloud on the horizon is that we're missing players and maybe Maupay now too. Would be a hell of an achievement to see them off and take 9 points into the (very tedious) international break. Ah, the hope, the hope! Been here before.

 

[dsr-burnley]

I saw most of the second half of Liverpool FC v Burnley RUFC, some of those tackles seriously wouldn't have looked out of place in the premiership rather than the premier league. At one point a Burnley player had both his arms wrapped around the waist of a Liverpool player, and threw him on the ground! Even the commentator effectively said "whilst its nice to see more contact that is taking the piss"
Whilst last week I was looking through Blue and White specs this week I was reasonably neutral. It really is a disgrace that they are allowed to get away with the thuggery week in week out. It amazes me that they haven't caused serious injury to someone.

When you say you were reasonably neutral, would you consider you were more neutral than the 94 refs who have failed to send off a Burnley player in 94 consecutive games? A Premier League record, beating that set by Ipswich in 1992-94?

With your neutral hat on, is there a reason (other than refs bias, presumably) why Brighton had more men sent off last season than Burnley have in 6+ years in the PL? Or why, in the 4 years that Brighton have been in the PL, Brighton have had 14 men sent off while Burnley in the same seasons have had 1?

Sooner of later, there should come a time when you let blind prejudice stop guiding you, and look at the facts. Burnley are not a dirty side.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Arse look so light weight.

Have they got any players that are not short or tall and lanky?

So easy to bully

 

[Thunder Bolt]

When you say you were reasonably neutral, would you consider you were more neutral than the 94 refs who have failed to send off a Burnley player in 94 consecutive games? A Premier League record, beating that set by Ipswich in 1992-94?

With your neutral hat on, is there a reason (other than refs bias, presumably) why Brighton had more men sent off last season than Burnley have in 6+ years in the PL? Or why, in the 4 years that Brighton have been in the PL, Brighton have had 14 men sent off while Burnley in the same seasons have had 1?

Sooner of later, there should come a time when you let blind prejudice stop guiding you, and look at the facts. Burnley are not a dirty side.

Two words- Joey Barton
Another two words - deliberate stamp

 

[El Turi]

When you say you were reasonably neutral, would you consider you were more neutral than the 94 refs who have failed to send off a Burnley player in 94 consecutive games? A Premier League record, beating that set by Ipswich in 1992-94?

With your neutral hat on, is there a reason (other than refs bias, presumably) why Brighton had more men sent off last season than Burnley have in 6+ years in the PL? Or why, in the 4 years that Brighton have been in the PL, Brighton have had 14 men sent off while Burnley in the same seasons have had 1?

Sooner of later, there should come a time when you let blind prejudice stop guiding you, and look at the facts. Burnley are not a dirty side.

Burnley don’t get red cards because of Dyche and his players relentless intimidation and harassment of match officials. The amount your players get away with is ridiculous. Ashley Barnes could easily get 5 red cards a season on his own if referees were stronger.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Two words- Joey Barton
Another two words - deliberate stamp

Yes, OK. You can pick an incident from 6 seasons ago, and disregard the opinion of the FA disciplinary committee who reviewed it found Barton not guilty, and if you do that you can get the number of Burnley red cards under Dyche to equal the number of Brighton red cards under Potter. Still not a dirty side.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

Yes, OK. You can pick an incident from 6 seasons ago, and disregard the opinion of the FA disciplinary committee who reviewed it found Barton not guilty, and if you do that you can get the number of Burnley red cards under Dyche to equal the number of Brighton red cards under Potter. Still not a dirty side.

Dirty, maybe not, cynical and snidey - possibly!

 

[dsr-burnley]

Burnley don’t get red cards because of Dyche and his players relentless intimidation and harassment of match officials. The amount your players get away with is ridiculous. Ashley Barnes could easily get 5 red cards a season on his own if referees were stronger.

He never came close to that number, even when he was with Brighton.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Yes, OK. You can pick an incident from 6 seasons ago, and disregard the opinion of the FA disciplinary committee who reviewed it found Barton not guilty, and if you do that you can get the number of Burnley red cards under Dyche to equal the number of Brighton red cards under Potter. Still not a dirty side.

Barton is a ****. Why anyone would give that sniddy, cowardly little shit a job is beyond me. Make no mistake It was deliberate.

My old boss ( lovely bloke) was the son of George Bray and so I had a soft spot for Burnley but the Barton incident, Rodriguez and the moaning of Dysche has just worn it away. FWIW, I don’t have an issue with the style of play

For the record George’s son supports Leeds ….


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[Thunder Bolt]

Yes, OK. You can pick an incident from 6 seasons ago, and disregard the opinion of the FA disciplinary committee who reviewed it found Barton not guilty, and if you do that you can get the number of Burnley red cards under Dyche to equal the number of Brighton red cards under Potter. Still not a dirty side.

Yes, I do disregard the FA disciplinary committee because I saw it with my own eyes.
The FA are corrupt.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

https://twitter.com/EPLBible/status/1429532372643549198

 

[GT49er]

Yes, OK. You can pick an incident from 6 seasons ago, and disregard the opinion of the FA disciplinary committee who reviewed it found Barton not guilty, and if you do that you can get the number of Burnley red cards under Dyche to equal the number of Brighton red cards under Potter. Still not a dirty side.

Yes, it was one incident - and you and I both know that Joey Barton as a footballer was a dirty b*stard, and got away with one big-time tha day, due to the astonishing incompetancy of the FA disciplinary committe at the time. We've had red cards, some deserved, some not (I can think off-hand of two from last season alone) which should have been overturned but were not as the establishment closed ranks to protect the referees and the big clubs - if we'd been Citeh or Chelski the outcome would undoubtedly been different..... and, to be fair, I can think of one that we got which was at least questionable, so not playing the victim card here.
Burnley - no red cards? I must admit I didn't know that, and also I have to say I'm quite surprised. I daresay you've got away with one or two (leaving Barton out of it). You're still pretty good at some of the dark arts of football though, and pretty good at practicing them without a red card .......... which is actually quite clever!

 

[MTSeagulls]

There was a stat that used to be on some website that showed the ratio of fouls to yellow cards. I can't remember what it was called as I'm getting a bit old now.
Anyway the stats showed that Burnley committed a lot more fouls before being given any kind of card than most other teams.
I can only put it down to them being more sneaky/professional about it plus the constant haranguing of officials by Dyche.
I don't even think dsr-Burnley can deny he does that.

 

[dsr-burnley]

There was a stat that used to be on some website that showed the ratio of fouls to yellow cards. I can't remember what it was called as I'm getting a bit old now.
Anyway the stats showed that Burnley committed a lot more fouls before being given any kind of card than most other teams.
I can only put it down to them being more sneaky/professional about it plus the constant haranguing of officials by Dyche.
I don't even think dsr-Burnley can deny he does that.

I remember that stat too. It is, I would presume, because Burnley don't tackle as much as most teams. They don't (by and large) make the flying tackles that risk a red card and usually get a yellow. If the ball can't be won with a fair degree of certainty, they back off until they get a better chance. They don't take the Man city approach of automatically fouling the opponent when a break is on, which reduces the number of one-foul one-yellow bookings that lower the average. And they don't get booked for dissent, which reduces the chances of two yellows (and also lowers the card-to-foul ratio). Dyche's training is strict.

As for haranguing the officials, yes he does. But that doesn't make the difference. One aspect of character that leads people to become a ref is that they (like managers and other absolute bosses) have a tendancy to believe that they are right even when the rest of the world thinks them wrong. They tend to arrogance, self-confidence, bossiness. They don't roll over and cower because someone shouts at them - they are more likely to get stroppy and react the other way. If what Dyche says to them makes them less likely to book Burnley players, then it's not out of fear.

 

[Stato]

I don't think of Burnley as a thuggish side. They are well drilled, hard working and professional and the professionalism is probably largely responsible for the avoidance of red cards.

Lets not pretend that they're not physical, the red card stat is a bit balanced by them being in the division's top five for yellow cards for four of the last five seasons. However, let's also not sneer at physical sides. As fans we love to see our players winning a physical battle against their individual opponent. Tarkowski definitely fouled Maupay for Burnley's goal last week, a two handed push on an opponent is a foul however it may be excused away. However, had Dunky done it to an opponent and got away with it we would be cheering his strength in the same way we used to cheer Adam El Abd whenever he shoved someone out of the way to help make a chance on on a set piece.

I've no problem with Dyche's team. They've stayed in this division for year after year with all financial factors stacked against them by finding a way of playing that works for them. We survived for a couple of years doing the same things well. Just because we are now trying to take a different approach to try to level the disparity with the super-rich doesn't mean that Burnley's approach should be denigrated. The division would be a lot duller if every team played the same way. They tore into us in the second half at Turf Moor last season, playing dynamic and powerful football that took some withstanding. From a Brighton point of view, it was really good to see that the team hadn't forgotten the lessons that Chris Hughton had taught them. It was a really good game to watch.

Barton, on the other hand is a cowardly petulant man child who was very lucky that Keram Bayal was such a nice bloke that he couldn't let himself believe that an opponent would intend to stamp on him. That incident highlights the only problem I have with Sean Dyche. He wants it both ways, pontificating about the good of the game whenever an opponent is at fault, but excusing away even the inexcusable whenever it is one of his players. I have no problem with either of these approaches, but it seems clear that they are mutually exclusive positions. That's why we spent all of those years rolling our eyes at Arsene Wenger.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

I reckon the reason why Burnley never get a player sent off is the same reason why they rarely get penalties. They play like it's the 80's so the refs ref them like it's the 80's.

That's my thoroughly researched view* and I'm sticking with it.


*by thorough I obviously mean watching them play and thinking ****ing hell if any other team made that tackle they'd be booked/sent off.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I don't think of Burnley as a thuggish side. They are well drilled, hard working and professional and the professionalism is probably largely responsible for the avoidance of red cards.

Lets not pretend that they're not physical, the red card stat is a bit balanced by them being in the division's top five for yellow cards for four of the last five seasons. However, let's also not sneer at physical sides. As fans we love to see our players winning a physical battle against their individual opponent. Tarkowski definitely fouled Maupay for Burnley's goal last week, a two handed push on an opponent is a foul however it may be excused away. However, had Dunky done it to an opponent and got away with it we would be cheering his strength in the same way we used to cheer Adam El Abd whenever he shoved someone out of the way to help make a chance on on a set piece.

I've no problem with Dyche's team. They've stayed in this division for year after year with all financial factors stacked against them by finding a way of playing that works for them. We survived for a couple of years doing the same things well. Just because we are now trying to take a different approach to try to level the disparity with the super-rich doesn't mean that Burnley's approach should be denigrated. The division would be a lot duller if every team played the same way. They tore into us in the second half at Turf Moor last season, playing dynamic and powerful football that took some withstanding. From a Brighton point of view, it was really good to see that the team hadn't forgotten the lessons that Chris Hughton had taught them. It was a really good game to watch.

Barton, on the other hand is a cowardly petulant man child who was very lucky that Keram Bayal was such a nice bloke that he couldn't let himself believe that an opponent would intend to stamp on him. That incident highlights the only problem I have with Sean Dyche. He wants it both ways, pontificating about the good of the game whenever an opponent is at fault, but excusing away even the inexcusable whenever it is one of his players. I have no problem with either of these approaches, but it seems clear that they are mutually exclusive positions. That's why we spent all of those years rolling our eyes at Arsene Wenger.

This is all true.

The levels of self discipline required to consistently keep 11 men on the pitch, whilst playing in such a rugged style without having much of the ball is incredible and testament to Dyche and the composure of his players. I've never seen the "share the yellow cards around" thing done on quite such an industrial scale.

I've got mixed feelings about Burnley. I can't stand some of their fans, mostly due a to a couple of run ins i've had.

But I feel desperately bad for them with the whole ownership situation

Anyway, I think this will be their year to drop

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I remember that stat too. It is, I would presume, because Burnley don't tackle as much as most teams. They don't (by and large) make the flying tackles that risk a red card and usually get a yellow. If the ball can't be won with a fair degree of certainty, they back off until they get a better chance. They don't take the Man city approach of automatically fouling the opponent when a break is on, which reduces the number of one-foul one-yellow bookings that lower the average. And they don't get booked for dissent, which reduces the chances of two yellows (and also lowers the card-to-foul ratio). Dyche's training is strict.

As for haranguing the officials, yes he does. But that doesn't make the difference. One aspect of character that leads people to become a ref is that they (like managers and other absolute bosses) have a tendancy to believe that they are right even when the rest of the world thinks them wrong. They tend to arrogance, self-confidence, bossiness. They don't roll over and cower because someone shouts at them - they are more likely to get stroppy and react the other way. If what Dyche says to them makes them less likely to book Burnley players, then it's not out of fear.

Give over...

Dyche constantly runs a narrative that the opposition are divers, the game's gone soft, and his players are hard done by etc. etc.
He isn't the first manager to try and get a narrative going to help persuade referees to be lenient to certain aspects of their teams style of play.
It undoubtedly works. Ferguson/Mourinho/BFS are past masters at influencing the ref by running a narrative on perceived injustices on their team.

It is noticeable how lenient refs are to physical challenges in games featuring Burnley.
In itself it isn't a bad thing, but it does give you an edge, because it suits your style of play.

The fact that you haven't been given a single red card in the period is testament to that fact, every other club has had at least 1 soft red in the same period.