Poyet right

[Dorset Seagull]

what has el-abd done to deserve a contract? I do know this, removing Forster's goals this season, we would be 9 points lower and in the past 2 seasons here he has contributed much more than el-abd has ever done.

if gus really believes that there are no contract discussions until end of season, then el-abd should have never been given one. someone who has saved us from relegation season over season vs some turd of a player that really shouldn't be here if he is a real sign of aspiration we have as a club, signing hawkins was a more sign of ambition than keeping el abd around.

You assume that whoever would have replaced Forster in those games wouldn't have scored in any of them!

 

[Insel affe]

Im behind Gus on this, you cant let one player force your hand otherwise the rest will follow. All Gus is doing is showing that he will not be coerced into making a decision that will open the flood gates for the rest of the players out of contract, that he is either still making his mind up over or has no intention of keeping on come the end of the season. As you wont get the best out of those players for the rest of the season. Just after he took charge he was on tv im not sure when maybe just after the Southampton game, When he said this team is not my team,im not a fan of the jaunary transfer window and next season we will be a different team with my players. He has a plan and if 9 players are not in those plans,so be it i dont care who leaves to be honest. I belive Gus will get it right given time the signs are there. Maybe we should have faith and get behind a manager for a change and see where we are after two seasons. I will follow the team no matter who is in it.

 

[BensGrandad]

what has el-abd done to deserve a contract? I do know this, removing Forster's goals this season, we would be 9 points lower and in the past 2 seasons here he has contributed much more than el-abd has ever done.

if gus really believes that there are no contract discussions until end of season, then el-abd should have never been given one. someone who has saved us from relegation season over season vs some turd of a player that really shouldn't be here if he is a real sign of aspiration we have as a club, signing hawkins was a more sign of ambition than keeping el abd around.

Perhaps we should back Gus and his opinions rather than yours posting on a fans website. I have said many many times perhaps Gus is satisfied that El Abd will fill the role he requires at the price we can afford but is not similarly convinced of Nicky Forster, possibly due to his wages. Possibly Gus thinks he can sign somebody better or as good but younger for the same wages. Who really knows but lets give Gus the benefit of the doubt and allow him to manage the squad as he sees fit.

 

[jezzer]

but in forsters case it is not past efforts but current efforts that he is seeking a contract. He is our top scorer or had you forgotten that.

Bollocks, I havent forgotten anything. He maybe our top scorer but he hasnt played well in recent games and the play has broken down many times when hes on the ball e.g at villa and his last home game, where he was subbed cos he kept losing it. Definitely not playing as well this season compared to earlier seasons and combined with his age, the prospect of the manager getting a new striker in during the summer and his probably inflated wages compared to most of the rest has made gus hesitate, as I said so would I.

 

[drew]

but in forsters case it is not past efforts but current efforts that he is seeking a contract. He is our top scorer or had you forgotten that.

Bollocks, I havent forgotten anything. He maybe our top scorer but he hasnt played well in recent games and the play has broken down many times when hes on the ball e.g at villa and his last home game, where he was subbed cos he kept losing it. Definitely not playing as well this season compared to earlier seasons and combined with his age, the prospect of the manager getting a new striker in during the summer and his probably inflated wages compared to most of the rest has made gus hesitate, as I said so would I.

So you only judge someone on the last 5 minutes then. If you knew anything about Forster then you would know that his career has spells when he is banging in a goal a game and then followed by a lean spell. He still comes out as top scorer. You trust Gus's judgement blindly yet this he has just given Carole a contract (admittedly weekly) yet the player is a waste of space and everything he did against a very week Huddersfield team failed.

So, whilst I am happy that GP is our manager that doesn't mean I worship the ground he treads and believe unquestioningly ever decision he makes.

 

[KneeOn]

The fact is that Poyet's experience of the club is different to ours.

Whilst I am sure Poyet has done his research, Poyet came into the club as a totally fresh face. He probably doesn't care that Forster's goals have kept us in the league the last couple of years. All Poyet is concerned about is the future.

There is no doubt the El Abd has played the best football of his career under Poyet's stewardship, clearly there is something there that Poyet thinks he can develop. The other players, clearly Poyet has decided that he needs more time to look at. Poyet hasn't been watching Kuipers for 10 years like the rest of us, he has been watching him for three-and-a-half months. The fact is that we do not know what these players are like on the training ground and in the dressing room, what Poyet sees day to day may be totally different to the performances we see on Saturdays.

Whilst Poyet has said that no contract negotiations will happen until the end of the season, I would not be surprised if we see contracts sporadically handed out as Poyet gets more and more used to the players and develops his on opinion of what is needed for the future.

I'm not saying that Forster is wrong, and I'm not saying that Poyet is wrong. However, I think Poyet is right to look to the future. It simply does not matter how many goals Forster has scored in the past. What matters, is how many goals the manager thinks he is capable of scoring in the future.

The man speaks sense, what happens if we gave Forster a contract for the next two and a half seasons, and he scores four goals? Wasted money. I want Forster to stay but it must be for the good of the club and its down to Poyet and Bloom to decide the good of the club.

 

[The Wizard]

Poyet said in the Argus he wants Forster to clarify his position or not be in the team, sounds like its Forsters problem to me.

 

[Beach Hut]

No one is bigger than club

 

[drew]

The man speaks sense, what happens if we gave Forster a contract for the next two and a half seasons, and he scores four goals? Wasted money. I want Forster to stay but it must be for the good of the club and its down to Poyet and Bloom to decide the good of the club.

I very much doubt that Forster is even looking for a guarateed 2 year contract. It may even be a pay as you play contract but we don't know because the club/Poyet won't discuss it with Forster. His track record before joining us and since speaks for itself. As for Poyet looking to the future, of course he has to, what manager doesn't, but without your top scorer where will that be next season. We have had false dawns before when looking to rely on 'the future'. Look at what that did to Jake Robinson and Joe Gatting. Hot shot youth players but failed abysmally in the first team.

It may well be that Holroyd and Murray will hit it off. Great if it happens but who would you rather have on the bench for the last 20 minutes if we were chasing a game, Forster or Dickinson?

If Forsters did get a contract, I wouldn't expect it to be for more than a year and I suspect (but don't know) that he wouldn't either.

 

[larus]

I very much doubt that Forster is even looking for a guarateed 2 year contract. It may even be a pay as you play contract but we don't know because the club/Poyet won't discuss it with Forster.

If Forsters did get a contract, I wouldn't expect it to be for more than a year and I suspect (but don't know) that he wouldn't either.

That's just it, we don't know. IMO, It's more likely that he's after a longer contract than 12 months, and highly unlikely that he would accept a pay as you play contract.

What Poyet has said about El-Abd seems plausible. Therefore, I am going to believe Poyet, and assume that Forster (or his agent) are at fault for trying to push the club into negotiations before they want to. If NF is not happy, he can always start negotiations with other clubs.

As others have said, no player is bigger than the club. We survived without Wardy or Zamora, so I'm sure we'll survive without Forster.

Also, if Poyet has been told by Bloom that he wants Championship football when we open at Falmer (as was posted on another thread), then he will need to be thinking about players to get us out of this league next season. If this is the case, then the likely scenario is that he's been told that if he needs loan players to help with survival this year then he will have funds, and that funds will be made available in the close season for rebuilding the squad.

But, that's just my opinion - like .

 

[KneeOn]

I very much doubt that Forster is even looking for a guarateed 2 year contract. It may even be a pay as you play contract but we don't know because the club/Poyet won't discuss it with Forster. His track record before joining us and since speaks for itself. As for Poyet looking to the future, of course he has to, what manager doesn't, but without your top scorer where will that be next season. We have had false dawns before when looking to rely on 'the future'. Look at what that did to Jake Robinson and Joe Gatting. Hot shot youth players but failed abysmally in the first team.

It may well be that Holroyd and Murray will hit it off. Great if it happens but who would you rather have on the bench for the last 20 minutes if we were chasing a game, Forster or Dickinson?

If Forsters did get a contract, I wouldn't expect it to be for more than a year and I suspect (but don't know) that he wouldn't either.

Oh i wasn't suggesting he would GET a two year contract, it was just a number for the sake of example. I'd lvoe to se Holroyd to hit it off and start scoring for fun!

 

[Acker79]

Perhaps we should back Gus and his opinions rather than yours posting on a fans website.

or at least shut up and accept them even if we don't back them. I don't think he and the club handled the situation right, and Forster didn't behave correctly either. Nothing we say on here can change that. If Gus and the club are wrong they will pay for it, either losing players because they waited too long, or relegation because of lack of goals, or mutiny in the dressing room. This will then hopefully lead to some lessons being learned, and if necessary jobs being lost. If they are right, then we all win. We get performances and results, we stay up, the club and team develops and moves on to its next stage.

 

[clapham_gull]

I find it odd that people are linking one contract with another. Surely with a football team every player's contract offer (or not) has to decided on individual merits. El Abd contract has absolutely nothing to do with whether another player should be given one. That's the nature of football. I'm failing to feel any sympathy for Forster at all. If he is unwilling to give 100% on the basis that he hasn't got a contract for the next season he's in the wrong type of employment.

This isn't the premiership and Forster and his agent need to be reminded he isn't playing in it.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I find it odd that people are linking one contract with another. Surely with a football team every player's contract offer (or not) has to decided on individual merits. El Abd contract has absolutely nothing to do with whether another player should be given one. That's the nature of football. I'm failing to feel any sympathy for Forster at all. If he is unwilling to give 100% on the basis that he hasn't got a contract for the next season he's in the wrong type of employment.

This isn't the premiership and Forster and his agent need to be reminded he isn't playing in it.

100% what I wanted to say.

Florister should not be paid for his flowering about. Thankfks Nicky, I seem to believe you are under a contract. Why aren't you busting a gut to secure a new one or is that beneath you? He has/is/will be better paid than much of our support. Earn a feckin' move if there is a not a contract you want or like on offer.

 

[ali jenkins]

I may very well be wrong but if El-Abd got a contract EXTENSION does that mean it didnt run out in the Summer?

And they may have decided early on that El-Abd was going to get a new contract, then results have been a bit hit and miss and the clubs situation has changed so they have decided to hold on talks for new contracts until they know where they are going to be next season. Nothing wrong with this, and they were fair to the players by sitting them down and informing them on what was going to happen. You should expect your CAPTAIN to respond to this in the most positive mannor and he hasnt. He/his Agent went to the press and had a good moan about the club which obviously isnt a great idea and isnt going to be good for morale.

Yes Forster is one of our most important players and yes he has scored some vital goals in the last few years but he is still a member of the SQUAD and as such he should have to abide to the management decisions like the rest of the players, no matter when they were changed and who got what before that!

I want Forster to stay but if he doesnt play for us again then it is his fault and his fault alone!!!

 

[never wrong dave]

When El-abd was out of contract two seasons ago not one other club would look at him.Just like no championship teams wanted Virgo,so he ran back to the Albion.Let not forget what David Livermore pointed out about the big money their all on at the Albion,and how other clubs wouldn't even pay 50% of it.Elphick & El-abd have been part of a very poor defence almost bottom of the div3 for almost two seasons now.It does not take a lot of working out.

 

[drew]

That's just it, we don't know. IMO, It's more likely that he's after a longer contract than 12 months, and highly unlikely that he would accept a pay as you play contract.

What Poyet has said about El-Abd seems plausible. Therefore, I am going to believe Poyet, and assume that Forster (or his agent) are at fault for trying to push the club into negotiations before they want to. If NF is not happy, he can always start negotiations with other clubs.

As others have said, no player is bigger than the club. We survived without Wardy or Zamora, so I'm sure we'll survive without Forster. We survived but after selling Zamora, didn't we get relegated the following season? And I believe after Ward left again in 1983, we also got relegated! We survived but we did go down. No one is suggesting the club will go under if Forster goes but we may still get relegated.

Also, if Poyet has been told by Bloom that he wants Championship football when we open at Falmer (as was posted on another thread), then he will need to be thinking about players to get us out of this league next season. If this is the case, then the likely scenario is that he's been told that if he needs loan players to help with survival this year then he will have funds, and that funds will be made available in the close season for rebuilding the squad. Firstly, Poyet has already stated he is not a fan of the loan system so I don't anticipate him using much other than to offload players. It does seem strange if the Cox loan to Millwall is true, ie a player we, at the foot of the table, deem to be surplus but attracts interest from a team in the play-off battle!!!

But, that's just my opinion - like .

I find it odd that people are linking one contract with another. Surely with a football team every player's contract offer (or not) has to decided on individual merits. El Abd contract has absolutely nothing to do with whether another player should be given one. That's the nature of football. I'm failing to feel any sympathy for Forster at all. If he is unwilling to give 100% on the basis that he hasn't got a contract for the next season he's in the wrong type of employment.

This isn't the premiership and Forster and his agent need to be reminded he isn't playing in it.

Are you dumb? Nobody is linking the contracts terms together, just the principle of treating players differently. One gets an extension and the remainder are left in limbo on the basis that we don't know which league we will be in. Firstly, if you can remember that far back, we didn't know what division we would be in until the final game of last season, (my memory fails me as I can't remember who scored the goal that kept us up!!!). So, those eight players won't know until we are into May. Secondly, it is a complete red herring about which division we are in as the club can put a clause in contracts in connection with relegation. It could be that Poyet doesn't want these players if we stay up but may think they are good enough if we go down, who knows!

100% what I wanted to say.

Florister should not be paid for his flowering about. Thankfks Nicky, I seem to believe you are under a contract. Why aren't you busting a gut to secure a new one or is that beneath you? He has/is/will be better paid than much of our support. Earn a feckin' move if there is a not a contract you want or like on offer.

I don't recall any game where Forsters hasn't put in 100% effort yet he has know for some time that his contract is up in June. It's not Forster who is refusing to play but Poyet who is refusing to pick him.