POYET: "Brighton are ready for the Premier League, and I’d love my old team to get there."

[chaileyjem]

You get forcibly dumped out of a job on the flimsiest of pretexts .

Forgetting of course that he'd actually told Bloom he wanted to leave the club anyway back in March 2013 a few days before the Palace game.
Bloom: "He said that if he could leave, if it would be allowable for him to leave the next day that would be fine."
And Bloom had already given him permission to talk to Reading about their vacant managers job around the same time presumably under great pressure from GP .
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/mar/20/gus-poyet-reading-brighton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23363030

 

[chaileyjem]

Gus offered to resign at the time of the Palace 3-0 match.

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This is how Bloom put it:

"He didn't want to discuss [asking to leave a few days before the Palace match] at all.
"He said that if he could leave, if it would be allowable for him to leave the next day that would be fine.
"So this was hugely shocking to me and it was something I had to manage between then and the end of the season.
"Obviously the key was the players and the team and our promotion push. I didn't want anything to get in the way of that.
"And then lots of things happened between then and the end of the season which I don't want to discuss."

 

[beorhthelm]

I find it hard to agree on this one - I can't believe he would massively sabotage his own career and CV just to "get one over" on ONE employee working at a club he loved. Really?

i dont suggest it was deliberate, but he was in a sulk and not giving it 100% anymore. in that knife edge match there was a lack of passion, urgency or anything from him, to do something to change the game.

 

[8ace]

Usual suspects rimming Poyet I see

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

i dont suggest it was deliberate, but he was in a sulk and not giving it 100% anymore. in that knife edge match there was a lack of passion, urgency or anything from him, to do something to change the game.

He brought Barnes on in the 64th minute, before Palace scored their first goal. And took Calderon off for LuaLua when 1-0 down.

Those were our two "attacking" options and he used both at times where he was trying to change the game.

I've always LOVED the fact that people forget about the PLAYERS in all of this. You know, the 11 blokes standing on the grass actually doing the kicking? Yeah, if I was one of them, and I was 2 games from my dream of prem football and the inevitable pay rise, bonus etc I would try my HARDEST no matter what my manager said. Even if Gus said before the game "I'm leaving" it wouldn't make a difference. I still want to be a prem footballer.

 

[Return of the Rev]

Still trying to use Brighton for his own personal agenda! Keep quiet weasel

 

[marshy68]

For me the issue was the ill-timed, ill conceived post match comments that left the bitter taste.

100% this.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

i agree, managing a promoted side would've increased his stock considerably.

This is why ultimately he's such a ****ing idiot. And if he did want to resign in a dramatic manner whilst ****ing the board over stay focused and then walk out giving it large after getting promoted. That's the way to do it.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

He brought Barnes on in the 64th minute, before Palace scored their first goal. And took Calderon off for LuaLua when 1-0 down.

Those were our two "attacking" options and he used both at times where he was trying to change the game.

I've always LOVED the fact that people forget about the PLAYERS in all of this. You know, the 11 blokes standing on the grass actually doing the kicking? Yeah, if I was one of them, and I was 2 games from my dream of prem football and the inevitable pay rise, bonus etc I would try my HARDEST no matter what my manager said. Even if Gus said before the game "I'm leaving" it wouldn't make a difference. I still want to be a prem footballer.

I disagree. If your leader is not leading it takes a lot of wind out of your sails. To win you need everyone on message and on side.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The frustrating thing with Gus is he's a decent and interesting guy most of the time and plays good football. But he has repeatedly acted an egotistical knob and/or got carried away with his own hype way too often. He always starts off well them the ego snowballs and it ends in self-centred tears If you cut the nonsense out of him he'd be a decent bloke and a very decent manager at a high level. He's his own worst enemy.

 

[Don Tmatter]

He brought Barnes on in the 64th minute, before Palace scored their first goal. And took Calderon off for LuaLua when 1-0 down.

Those were our two "attacking" options and he used both at times where he was trying to change the game.
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Didnt he leave Vicente sitting on the bench though? The one player that could have won the game on his own.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Didnt he leave Vicente sitting on the bench though? The one player that could have won the game on his own.

Yep. THAT.

 

[symyjym]

Some of the things he says is just bonkers.

"Sir Alex Ferguson said once that the most important thing for a manager is to have total control, and I did have total control at Brighton. But unfortunately that new person at the club didn’t want me to have that control. "

More to the point Bloom wouldn't have wanted to be dictated to and needed some balance by bringing others in. Getting advice off one person doesn't work as Bloom discovered from the Murray fiasco.

"Surprisingly, they wanted me to still be responsible for the results in the same way. Sorry, but it doesn’t work like that. Total control equals total responsibility. No control, who is responsible? Shared? People disagree. Fine."

We can see where the problem is.

"Teams changed their game when they played against us, which could play havoc with our scouting system as we’d have opponents watched four times before they played us and then they’d play in a completely different manner when they met us."

There was only one way to play against us, let us have the ball in our own half, catch us on the break, and throw the kitchen sink at us in the last 15 mins.

 

[Pavilionaire]

What I find most interesting about that article is that there is not one mention of Tony Bloom.

Poyet is not particularly smart and this article shows his vanity. He will never concede he was wrong in any respect, or that he might have let his Chairman down, so if this IS an article to advance his search for a job now - Aston Villa anyone? - then he'd have done himself a favour by manning up to his falling out with Bloom and conceding a bit of ground in that regard.

Gus talks about how the club is now Prem ready with a 30,000 shiny stadium, and how he took Brighton from a lowly place to be a real contender but - as usual - it's all about Gus. He talks in fond terms about Dick Knight, but reading that you'd be forgiven for thinking Knight was still chairman when Poyet left.

 

[Notters]

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/gus-poyet-brighton-ready-premier-082249868.html

Gus Poyet gives the lowdown on former club Brighton, the reasons for his departure and his hopes for the future at the Amex Stadium.

.My old team Brighton & Hove Albion are flying at the top of the Championship and had a great win at Leeds, where I was once assistant manager, at the weekend.

Brighton have the support, stadium and infrastructure to be in the Premier League and I’m pleased for them.

Chris Hughton is a very good coach as I saw first hand when I played at Spurs and he coached under Glenn Hoddle. We didn’t agree all the time, but we both wanted what was best for Spurs. Chris knows the Championship level from when he got Newcastle promoted and that experience is good for him at Brighton.

As often happens when you move jobs, I can’t pretend that all ended well between Brighton and me. I was in charge there for four years and as it was my first job in football it will always have a special place in my heart, right from when we beat Southampton away in our first game.

I smile at some great memories, even if some of them got me into trouble. Like when I grabbed the microphone on Brighton sea front to celebrate our promotion from League One and echoed what our fans had been singing. Which was ‘We’re f**king brilliant! We’re f**king brilliant!’

Read the rest: https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/gus-poyet-brighton-ready-premier-082249868.html

Yep, definitely Poyet.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Didnt he leave Vicente sitting on the bench though? The one player that could have won the game on his own.

How many goals did Vicente score compared to Barnes?

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

How many goals did Vicente score compared to Barnes?

Vicente would have ran them ragged and probably put chances on a plate for Barnes!

 

[beorhthelm]

And took Calderon off for LuaLua when 1-0 down.

as i hold LuaLua responsible for their second goal (utterly failed to read the play or be in decent position, which lead to the goal), its a moot point. i may be selective in my memory too, my sense over all on the night was a lack of something in the air. more than nervousness, the first goal felt like that was it may as well go home, around about and on the pitch and in the dug out.

 

[Bladders]

How many goals did Vicente score compared to Barnes?

You actually think Vicente's game was all about putting the ball in the net himself?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

With all the comments about what was mentioned and what wasn't mentioned, somebody had to write the article, presumably, after talking to Gus. One would need to hear the interview before being able to judge along the lines some are doing here. Perhaps it was the writer who made it all about Gus.