[Football] Potter [NOT] at Chelsea

[Mackenzie]

...but you said like five minutes ago they were bang average.
Oh right yeah, your quote about how changing opinions every five minutes is the way to go.

Here's another couple of quotes:
"If you change your mind all the time, you're fickle and making it very simple for yourself, and can not learn from being wrong in the past - because you never realise you get it wrong."

"There is a time to change your mind, after deep consideration of the facts available. However, spinning around like a *windcock in a tornado just to fit whatever narrative you have at the time only makes you a man without principles and steady ideas, which is pretty f***ing dumb not to mention silly."

Both these come from a Swedish philosopher, mr S. Wansman.

*windsock is the English transition, although your version is more amusing

 

[Springal]

The fact that RDZ is getting a SHEDLOAD more goals consistently out of the same group of players doesn't reflect especially well on GP, IMO.

In fact let’s have it right. Potter last 11 PL games vs RDZ 11 games

Potter - 24 GF, 8 GA. 7W 3D 1L
RDZ - 21 GF, 20 GA. 4W 2D 5L

 

[rogersix]

*windsock is the English transition, although your version is more amusing

or maybe weathervane

 

[MJsGhost]

Yes we were 4th, but you know we had only played 6 games right?
We beat Leicester 5-2, Leeds 1-0, West Ham 2-0 and on the opening day, Man Utd at old Trafford for the first time ever, 2-1. It was great. But objectively, we had some soft opposition on the days.

Leicester lost 5 of their opening 6 games, drew the other, and got beat 6-2 the following week by Tottenham.
Leeds lost 5 and drew 3 of their 8 games after our win at home against them. They have not won away all season.
West Ham lost 5 and won just one of their opening 7 games, 1-0 against Steven Gerards Villa.
Man Utd lost 4-0 to Brentford the following week, the new manager was just a bit behind schedule in readying his team for the season.
We also got a point at home to Newcastle who are hard to beat, and lost to Fulham away, no real shame in either of those results, but Fulham have not beaten any side currently higher than us in the table

What's a more acceptable sample size?

The form table from April 2022 until GP left suggests the upturn in form (and goalscoring) was more than a lucky flash in the pan this season:

27 goals scored in 14 PL games (1.93 per game), 2.14 points per game.

Contrast that to RdZ's PL record so far:

21 goals scored in 11 games (1.91 per game), 1.27 points per game.

I'm not for a second saying that RdZ hasn't made a brilliant start (not easy picking up the reins from someone else, especially in a new league & country, no matter how good the platform left by the predecessor & how good the club's support systems are). I also believe RdZ is an upgrade on Potter - certainly in terms of entertainment, but also how far he can take the club (though it's early days & time will tell).

What does grate is how so many are still acting like jilted lovers and re-writing history to either pretend that they're not actually bothered he left (because he wasn't all that anyway); or that they were right all along in their opinion that he's rubbish (in a few cases, even though they'd started to admit they were wrong and that Potter was coming good for us).

Impossible to prove, obviously, but if our fans were polled last summer (i.e. even before the great start to this season), I would imagine the overwhelming majority would describe Potter as being better than merely 'par' or 'average' in his performance. I'd imagine that TB and PB would share that sentiment.
There are plenty of articles by respected journalists (and plenty by unknowns too) describing the terrific job Potter was doing at Brighton:

Data in Context: How Did Graham Potter’s Brighton Achieve a ‘Big Six’ Style of Play with a Bottom Six Budget? - Analytics FC

Dan Pritchard assesses Graham Potter’s tactical approach using data to show how he overachieved relative to budget with the Seagulls Almost all football clubs at the professional level use data these days, but fewer are led by that data, used to its fullest potential. This is something that...

analyticsfc.co.uk

Graham Potter’s unique rise to Chelsea and the challenge he faces - Sports Illustrated

Todd Boehly seems to have gotten his first-choice coach, but the former Brighton manager won’t be allotted the same freedom and patience at Stamford Bridge.

www.si.com

10 impressive stats that show why Graham Potter got the Chelsea job

Graham Potter is Chelsea's new manager and has proven himself worthy of the opportunity. Here are 10 impressive statistics from Potter's career to date that show how he's earned his shot at one of the biggest jobs in the country.

www.planetfootball.com

Graham Potter: Chelsea set to appoint Brighton boss as manager in next 24 hours

Graham Potter is set to be appointed Chelsea manager in the next 24 hours, ending his three-year spell with Brighton.

www.bbc.co.uk

If he is actually just an average Joe, plodding his way through his average career, he has done very well to pull the wool over the eyes of so many smart minds in the football world, not least Tony Bloom.

All of that said, I will still chuckle if/when it falls apart at Chelsea which, IMO, would only be because they pull the trigger too soon (I can both appreciate what he did for us, yet relish the schadenfreude if he crashes and burns)

 

[Bold Seagull]

In fact let’s have it right. Potter last 11 PL games vs RDZ 11 games

Potter - 24 GF, 8 GA. 7W 3D 1L
RDZ - 21 GF, 20 GA. 4W 2D 5L

You can prove anything with facts.

 

[Official Old Man]

Joao Felix. Sold for £113 million by Benfica to Athletico Madrid but not really come up to expectations. Now Chelsea want him on loan till summer. Will pay £11 million fee plus £6 million wages. Is any player, especially one who has not scored as many goals as expected, really worth £17 million for 20 games?

 

[jackalbion]

lot of talk about revisionism and the start to the season here. lets get back to the fact that, with a supposedly better squad, Potter is doing worse at Chelsea. supposed to have been about the man-managment, building up players mental strength yet they have been appalling at handling games. maybe thats because of player egos etc, doesnt change that he's taken them backward. perhaps the strengths and style of Potter works better with average players, getting more out of them, and fails to translate to those more established.

This with bells on, he will be never successful with a big club because of this

 

[Bold Seagull]

Joao Felix. Sold for £113 million by Benfica to Athletico Madrid but not really come up to expectations. Now Chelsea want him on loan till summer. Will pay £11 million fee plus £6 million wages. Is any player, especially one who has not scored as many goals as expected, really worth £17 million for 20 games?

Sterling is supposedly on about £17m per year, and he only turns up for 20 games a season...

 

[Dibdab]

Is it ok to say that I never liked Potter much....

And that I really don't like him now.....

Same, I never liked the guy from a personality perspective, and I can't stand him now especially when he keeps saying what an amazing club Chelsea are and how great their fans are. His soul is sold and he is desperately trying to say the right things knowing most of them hate him. Yes he got us playing better football than Hughton and we needed to evolve but I would have happily seen him booted after those horror runs in his first two seasons. Ironically the Potter cult always used the "who else could do a better job" card to defend those miserable winless goal less runs and now we have all sees that Tony and the club are more than well tapped into the global manager talent market and there is ALWAYS someone out there who can do a good job.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

The biggest shame in all this is that we’ll never know what GP would have achieved had he stayed, we don’t really know if what is happening under RDZ would have happened anyway.
I do wonder if GP might also ponder this from time to time?

Every day when he drives past the silver cock in Dorking I reckon.

 

[Bold Seagull]

lot of talk about revisionism and the start to the season here. lets get back to the fact that, with a supposedly better squad, Potter is doing worse at Chelsea. supposed to have been about the man-managment, building up players mental strength yet they have been appalling at handling games. maybe thats because of player egos etc, doesnt change that he's taken them backward. perhaps the strengths and style of Potter works better with average players, getting more out of them, and fails to translate to those more established.

He's not really taken them backward though;

Tuchel's final 11 games:
P11 W5 D3 L3 GF5 GA6 pts 18

Potter's first 11 games:
P11 W4 D3 L3 GF6 GA7 pts 15

It is more of a continuation of the same or not taking them forwards. Chelsea have just changed owners, team spirit already at a low, very few goals (even less under Tuchel), complete revolution of the club behind the scenes, injury crisis blah blah blah.

His process and way of coaching and tactics may well be difficult to implement at the highest level with his style of management, but Chelsea as proof of that after 11 games is a bit of a leap.

 

[jackalbion]

In fact let’s have it right. Potter last 11 PL games vs RDZ 11 games

Potter - 24 GF, 8 GA. 7W 3D 1L
RDZ - 21 GF, 20 GA. 4W 2D 5L

Don't think its fair to count all 11 games, as in his first 3/4 he was clearly trying to play with Potter's tactics. Counting from the Chelsea game would be far better.

 

[Springal]

Don't think its fair to count all 11 games, as in his first 3/4 he was clearly trying to play with Potter's tactics. Counting from the Chelsea game would be far better.

That’s his problem, he had 2 weeks after being appointed before his first game so more time than Potter had with his new Chelsea team

 

[The Fits]

Graham Potter was fantastic for us, I have no complaints on his time here.
De Zerbi has picked up a squad in form and kept it going.
His stylistic changes have made watching us far more enjoyable.

However it is way too early to compare the two.
De Zerbi ball will stop being enjoyable, when we are shipping goals for fun and unable to hit the target again.

If that doesn't happen, then De Zerbi is a genius and he won't be here long.

Yup. It's remarkably positive on here but I feel like we are setting ourselves up for a massive fall. There will be times Solly can't hit a barn door, there will be times Ferguson looks 18 and there will be times Mitoma falls over his feet every time he gets the ball. There'll also be some serious drubbings you suspect.
It's really positive, exciting, but we need to reign it in a little. We are not a top 8 team that Potter was holding back, I'm certain of that.

 

[BadFish]

Someone should rename this thread 'Potter at Brighton' or 'Potter v De Zerbi'

 

[Icy Gull]

Yup. It's remarkably positive on here but I feel like we are setting ourselves up for a massive fall. There will be times Solly can't hit a barn door, there will be times Ferguson looks 18 and there will be times Mitoma falls over his feet every time he gets the ball. There'll also be some serious drubbings you suspect.
It's really positive, exciting, but we need to reign it in a little. We are not a top 8 team that Potter was holding back, I'm certain of that.

Yep, I think we are going to get a rude awakening with a drubbing at some stage, how we recover from that will be interesting.

I also expect some knee jerk “get rid” reactions on here if it happens two or three times in quick succession too.

I would like to, but I refuse to believe that we are going to continue on the current trajectory without dips in results.

#glasshalfempty

 

[Originunknown]

Someone should rename this thread 'Potter at Brighton' or 'Potter v De Zerbi'

Or 'latest episode in Swansman's ad nauseam defense of Potter in the Post-Potter era'

 

[sagaman]

Potter was excellent for us and hopefully Roberto will drive us even higher

 

[The Fits]

Yep, I think we are going to get a rude awakening with a drubbing at some stage, how we recover from that will be interesting.

I also expect some knee jerk “get rid” reactions on here if it happens two or three times in quick succession too.

I would like to, but I refuse to believe that we are going to continue on the current trajectory without dips in results.

#glasshalfempty

Nailed on 'RDZ Out' poll by March.
'Never liked him' 'Too emotional' 'Can't defend' 'What do they do in training?'.
Followed by 'Would you take Potter back?' poll in April.

 

[timbha]

Nailed on 'RDZ Out' poll by March.
'Never liked him' 'Too emotional' 'Can't defend' 'What do they do in training?'.
Followed by 'Would you take Potter back?' poll in April.

Then a “we need a Hughton to get us out of this mess”