[Albion] Potter: nasty post match interview

[amexer]

Mention is made of booing at the Leeds game. Something I didnt hear . Has to be remembered, however the perception was about Potterball we were going through a spell where not only could not get a home win but the football was dire. So it was not all roses under him. He would be unlikely to survive a similar spell at Chelsea

 

[clapham_gull]

Never warmed to him at all albeit with respect to the football style that he brought, something oddly detached about him.

I was more upset when Hughton left even with the realisation that he his time had come.

Potter's detachment is still there with his interviews at Chelsea. Clearly needs to go back to the academics who taught him "emotional intelligence" and ask their advice on why he comes across as not a "club man", but a consultant on a short term contract,

 

[Albion in the north]

He's not the best at taking it and neither are Brighton fans

Funny how quick you are to refer to history when it suits you. When GP made the comment after the Leeds game, the main argument people made was that history was a looong time ago and doesn't matter any more so of course you can bo the team after a 0-0 in the PL.

Play 0-0, boo the team, get a comment that history should be remembered and not taking anything for granted.
Brighton fans: "THAT WAS TWO DECADES AGO! We're now paying up to watch the games and deserve to get wins. Ffs, we've moved on."
also, same Brighton fans: "I SAVED THIS CLUB TWO DECADES AGO! I am the victim here, not the boys on the pitch! I deserve to boo!"

Must be nice when you can move in and out of that history-part based on the situation. Very convenient as it allows you to sit quiet for 90 minutes, boo the boys and then call yourself the best and most supportive supporter in the world.

Yesterday the whole world could hear what sounded like pretty much the entire Amex getting behind the team and on the backs of the opponents, and you saw the result of it. You didn't need to go 1-0 up before making noise, you did it from the get go and it paid off compared to the "I'm only singing when winning"-thing that Brighton fans talk a lot about. Sort of proving GPs point as well - if you get behind the boys you win more football games.

Seems like someone else is taking it as badly as Mr Potter did yesterday.

 

[Mancgull]

His body language when asked about his return to Brighton gave him away I thought. I lot of uncomfortable scratching of his arm, hand to face etc.
The thing that annoyed us fans was not his actual departure to Chelsea but the speed of it, suggesting that he'd been tapped up beforehand, and the fact that he took Bruno and Roberts. He then allegedly recommends Winstanley.
I think his defensiveness is due to feeling uncomfortable about the fact that he had been speaking to Chelsea before Tuchel was sacked ( my theory / hunch only)
The other thing that has got my goat is his 'glow up'. What had impressed me about Potter was his 'authenticity' ( it's difficult being sexy when your name is Graham). However, this seems to have gone out of the window now he's gone to west London. He feels that he's had to have a makeover for some reason. No harm in him being on the receiving end of a bit of verbal abuse/ banter.
He does seem to be a sensitive soul, not able to withstand a few moans.
The booing after the Leeds game was from a very small minority. He could have dealt with that far better than his lecture.
he had other minor digs too in the past.
Overall, we have a lot to thank him for but he also benefitted hugely from being at Brighton with a very supportive CEO and Chairman.
Football moves on very quickly but we'll savour this win for a long time.

 

[zefarelly]

Never warmed to him at all albeit with respect to the football style that he brought, something oddly detached about him.

I was more upset when Hughton left even with the realisation that he his time had come.

Potter's detachment is still there with his interviews at Chelsea. Clearly needs to go back to the academics who taught him "emotional intelligence" and ask their advice on why he comes across as not a "club man", but a consultant on a short term contract,

Spot on. My thoughts exactly.

 

[Swansman]

Seems like someone else is taking it as badly as Mr Potter did yesterday.

I doubt it. Just find the eternal hypocrisy funny.

Imagine saying that someone is bad at taking criticism... while they themselves are storing a bunch of their sobby mouldy butthurt feelings in some quote from a post-game interview a year ago just because the manager didn't stick his tongue up their arses.

 

[clapham_gull]

Spot on. My thoughts exactly.

I'm sure there is a real Graham Potter, I'd have liked to see more of it. My advice to him would be to come across more of a manager and less of someone from human resources (whatever the f*** that is).

 

[Sheebo]

As an outsider, you are conflating all our opinions into one and then deconstructing them to find that, f*** me, views vary, and views change over time.

And then you have embarrassed yourself with a load of old bollocks. A bit.

Never mind.

Talking about us in the third person now ‘Brighton fans’ this and that. Yet feels the need to post on every subject and thread - likes the atmosphere one, despite never going to a game of ours. Time to move on to the Chelski message board I hope

 

[Swansman]

I'm sure there is a real Graham Potter, I'd have liked to see more of it. My advice to him would be to come across more of a manager and less of someone from human resources (whatever the f*** that is).

He's not as stiff as he comes across in most interviews and on the sidelines. If you listen to longer, more relaxed interviews with him, you see a different side.

How you come across on the sideline and in TV interviews is usually part of a strategy rather than a personality. Some, like Jesse Marsch and RdZ do the whole "look at me, I'm passionate and clownin' around on the pitch and shit" which gets the fans to side with the manager and the team etc. which is very useful, but if he has a dire spell against easier opposition than RdZ has had before, people are going to find the antics more silly than useful. Hopefully we won't have to see that day.

Others are like Mourinho, raging and deflecting blame and taking some pressure off the players by taking all the space.

Others are like GP, not giving much away, staying controlled. Maybe doesnt do much for riding the wave but helps in bad times that the players know he won't do something batshit or silly if things aren't going well.

There's merits to all of those approaches (which are usually more calculated than they look, at least when winning).

 

[Weststander]

He's not as stiff as he comes across in most interviews and on the sidelines. If you listen to longer, more relaxed interviews with him, you see a different side.

How you come across on the sideline and in TV interviews is usually part of a strategy rather than a personality. Some, like Jesse Marsch and RdZ do the whole "look at me, I'm passionate and clownin' around on the pitch and shit" which gets the fans to side with the manager and the team etc. which is very useful, but if he has a dire spell against easier opposition than RdZ has had before, people are going to find the antics more silly than useful. Hopefully we won't have to see that day.

Others are like Mourinho, raging and deflecting blame and taking some pressure off the players by taking all the space.

Others are like GP, not giving much away, staying controlled. Maybe doesnt do much for riding the wave but helps in bad times that the players know he won't do something batshit or silly if things aren't going well.

There's merits to all of those approaches (which are usually more calculated than they look, at least when winning).

Look at me RDZ

I think he’s just a passionate Italian, it’s in his DNA.

Exemplified by Tardelli’s look at me moment in 1982.

They just don’t do these things in Solihull.

 

[rool]

Talking about us in the third person now ‘Brighton fans’ this and that. Yet feels the need to post on every subject and thread - likes the atmosphere one, despite never going to a game of ours. Time to move on to the Chelski message board I hope

Must be something about the Swedish that they follow managers rather than teams.
In 2018 I went to a home game against Fulham in Mullery's Lounge, I think we drew 2-2. On the table next to ours was a family from Sweden who were there not because they supported Brighton but because the son was a fan of Gus Poyet and he wanted to come even though he hadn't been the manager for a number of years by then.
Anyway we had a good time and ended up spending the rest of the night drinking with them in the Nelson.

 

[Swansman]

Talking about us in the third person now ‘Brighton fans’ this and that. Yet feels the need to post on every subject and thread - likes the atmosphere one, despite never going to a game of ours. Time to move on to the Chelski message board I hope

Yeah I've usually talked in third person about all things Brighton to save you from the hysterical reactions to the word "we".

Move on to the Chelski board and miss out your reaction when your beloved King Southgate go out in the quarter finals? Dunno man...

 

[Bold Seagull]

Mention is made of booing at the Leeds game. Something I didnt hear . Has to be remembered, however the perception was about Potterball we were going through a spell where not only could not get a home win but the football was dire. So it was not all roses under him. He would be unlikely to survive a similar spell at Chelsea

I don’t remember the football being dire.

Even in periods of bad results, performances remained very good generally, hence excellent results followed.

 

[South Stand Bonfire]

He's not as stiff as he comes across in most interviews and on the sidelines. If you listen to longer, more relaxed interviews with him, you see a different side.

How you come across on the sideline and in TV interviews is usually part of a strategy rather than a personality. Some, like Jesse Marsch and RdZ do the whole "look at me, I'm passionate and clownin' around on the pitch and shit" which gets the fans to side with the manager and the team etc. which is very useful, but if he has a dire spell against easier opposition than RdZ has had before, people are going to find the antics more silly than useful. Hopefully we won't have to see that day.

Others are like Mourinho, raging and deflecting blame and taking some pressure off the players by taking all the space.

Others are like GP, not giving much away, staying controlled. Maybe doesnt do much for riding the wave but helps in bad times that the players know he won't do something batshit or silly if things aren't going well.

There's merits to all of those approaches (which are usually more calculated than they look, at least when winning).

I’ve never replied to one of your posts to date. This message board is open to all and is all about opinions but as your are not a Brighton fan and only appear to be interested in following Potter’s career ( and there is nothing wrong with that at all), why do you not just post on the Shed End ? You can’t understand the history or culture of our club just by researching the internet. Your comments now do unfortunately come across as a bit arrogant and “know it all” .

 

[andy1980]

I don't think Mr Potter has done anything wrong. He has taken a step up (doing a good job aswell), taken the people he now knows and trust with him, financially secured his family's future ( and his coaching staff) even more. The trouble is ,it has all been at our expense (even though we have been well compensated). It has most likely set us back a season or two, so why shouldn't those people who want to boo,boo?

 

[sparkie]

I honestly think he thought it would all blow over. A bit of a shock initially but everyone at Brighton would surely understand the job he’d done and wish him well in the end.

Down time at Rockwater just like before and no change to life other than a longer drive to work and spending Wednesdays playing the likes of AC Milan instead of training the likes of Adam Webster.

Not really turned out like that, has it Graham, old son?

It might well have blown over.

In normal circumstances.

However the poaching of Bruno was the game changer ( and I know Bruno gave the final Yes/No on that ). If that hadn't happened the wound of Potter leaving would have been far more superficial.

 

[Silverhatch]

If that was the intention, it didn't work. Fans and media are all over the fact he got his tactics wrong for two league games in a row and is trying to force square pegs into round holes. His next 3 league games are Arsenal, Manchester City and Newcastle. Much harder than anything he's faced domestically to this point apart from Manchester United (spawny 1-1 draw) and us (absolute hammering). The unbeaten run looks good but the goalkeeper was the star.

It's no exaggeration to suggest that if Abramovich were in charge a humiliation like yesterday would already mean those next 3 matches could decide his fate. If Chelsea play like they did yesterday, they'll take more hammerings. In the Roman empire, he'd have been sacked before the World Cup.

Unless thinks improve dramatically, Todd Boehly's reaction will be interesting. He probably has to stick by him because he looks like an idiot for the appointment if not. However, there are plenty of Chelsea fans who didn't want Potter in the first place and a fair proportion already unimpressed with the cut of his jib. And, generally, as soon as owners start taking some stick, they don't have a great track record for sticking to their plans...

Listening back to the Five Live commentary from yesterday was informative. Pat Nevin - so close to Chelsea - was calling out the flaw in the tactics very early on and was gobsmacked nobody reacted. After the second goal, he pointed out that while De Zerbi and coaches were studying an iPad, plotting to inflict further damage, the Chelsea bench offered nothing. More worryingly for Potter, several times Thiago Silva was looking across, desperate for something to change but, again, no response. A lack of faith from a player of that stature can only cause big issues (let alone Sterling, whose England career is disappearing down the toilet while he's lost in no-man's land).

All of that astonished me as Potter's in-game decision-making seemed to be arguably his greatest strength. Maybe he just froze. Maybe the job IS too big. My personal theory is that Albion's flexibility was based on years of training the players to move seamlessly between different positions. He needs players willing to do that, which probably won't include seasoned internationals who've played for far more experienced coaches. And he needs an amount of time to do that which is not usually afforded to anyone who'll be regarded as a failure for finishing 5th or 6th.

He really did make a peculiar choice of club for his shot at the big time.

This!! Potter is a fabulous coach, and supposedly a very intelligent man. Choosing Chelsea is so high risk as to be almost suicidal on his behalf. His Brighton ‘project’ was halfway through and looking like it might just disrupt the established football order of this country. It’s a season like no other. England will be looking for a new boss. Chelsea’s owners are inexperienced - there’s relegation Todd and NO draft. Their fanbase has helped f*** off Jose, Sarri, Conte, Tuchel… The last of your worries is the reaction of an incredibly loyal fanbase who did stick by you as your refined and defined your approach. Wish you no Ill will; yesterday lanced the boil.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

Never warmed to him at all albeit with respect to the football style that he brought, something oddly detached about him.

I was more upset when Hughton left even with the realisation that he his time had come.

Potter's detachment is still there with his interviews at Chelsea. Clearly needs to go back to the academics who taught him "emotional intelligence" and ask their advice on why he comes across as not a "club man", but a consultant on a short term contract,

Spot on. My thoughts exactly.

Yep I'm here too. I always felt he was the first analytics manager and much more robotic than anything I've seen before. Thrust on us because of the numbers Starlizard were clocking.
Good stats but none of the stuff that comes with being a fan on the sidelines - the personality, the emotions, the (dare I say it) passion. Getting constantly told how good he was because of xG (a very new stat for football fans) even when results were not. The prickly comments from time to time. It was all just a bit odd really.

Of course, makes perfect sense to someone like Bloom and ultimately paid off in the long term in our league position, squad, style and profits. You don't need to be a Warnock to be a good manager. But it can make it harder to warm to someone so bland from the terraces (even if that's not the case from a computer in Sweden)

At least in recent months he did seem to place a bit of value on some of these less tangible assets. The 'glow up'. Actually celebrating with supporters at the end of games. If he can become a bit more thick skinned dealing with erratic and irrational football fans he can still go onto great things but it will be interesting to see if it happens at Chelsea.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Never warmed to him at all albeit with respect to the football style that he brought, something oddly detached about him.


Yep I'm here too. I always felt he was the first analytics manager and much more robotic than anything I've seen before. Thrust on us because of the numbers Starlizard were clocking.
Good stats but none of the stuff that comes with being a fan on the sidelines - the personality, the emotions, the (dare I say it) passion. Getting constantly told how good he was because of xG (a very new stat for football fans) even when results were not. The prickly comments from time to time. It was all just a bit odd really.

Of course, makes perfect sense to someone like Bloom and ultimately paid off in the long term in our league position, squad, style and profits. You don't need to be a Warnock to be a good manager. But it can make it harder to warm to someone so bland from the terraces (even if that's not the case from a computer in Sweden)

At least in recent months he did seem to place a bit of value on some of these less tangible assets. The 'glow up'. Actually celebrating with supporters at the end of games. If he can become a bit more thick skinned dealing with erratic and irrational football fans he can still go onto great things but it will be interesting to see if it happens at Chelsea.

Yep, all of that, great post.

 

[Horses Arse]

He's not the best at taking it and neither are Brighton fans

Funny how quick you are to refer to history when it suits you. When GP made the comment after the Leeds game, the main argument people made was that history was a looong time ago and doesn't matter any more so of course you can bo the team after a 0-0 in the PL.

Play 0-0, boo the team, get a comment that history should be remembered and not taking anything for granted.
Brighton fans: "THAT WAS TWO DECADES AGO! We're now paying up to watch the games and deserve to get wins. Ffs, we've moved on."
also, same Brighton fans: "I SAVED THIS CLUB TWO DECADES AGO! I am the victim here, not the boys on the pitch! I deserve to boo!"

Must be nice when you can move in and out of that history-part based on the situation. Very convenient as it allows you to sit quiet for 90 minutes, boo the boys and then call yourself the best and most supportive supporter in the world.

Yesterday the whole world could hear what sounded like pretty much the entire Amex getting behind the team and on the backs of the opponents, and you saw the result of it. You didn't need to go 1-0 up before making noise, you did it from the get go and it paid off compared to the "I'm only singing when winning"-thing that Brighton fans talk a lot about. Sort of proving GPs point as well - if you get behind the boys you win more football games.

Not the best at taking it? He's behaving like a 5 year old! He's so bitter he's lost control over the personality he worked so hard to present.

I fully expected him to say, "That's football, its emotional. I get it, they love their club and they are hurt by what's happened. I'm sure they appreciate what I gave to their club and in time they'll understand why I moved. The club's in good hands, theyll continue to progress and I wish them well"

But no, childest little digs and a full 180 over "it's not about me, it's the club, the structure. It's never about one person". Now he's saying it is only about him, look what I did for you. How dare to react to me walking out and taking the whole coaching team with me.

I'm gobsmacked how it's got to him. The digs about the atmosphere may be the pinnacle of his tantrum, or is it the "some people appreciate what I've done" comment after Perv shook his hand.

Emotional intelligence? Of a five year old. He's lost a lot of respect all round, what a prick. He'll not last long at Chelsea if he doesn't grow up.

Perhaps he needs to go back to college? Take the grown up course.