[Albion] Potter arguably worse than Hyypia

[Iggle Piggle]

On the 29th December, We'd just lost 0-1 to a less than vintage Arsenal side - and played a load of fringe players - to complete a period where we'd won once at home in the calendar year. NSC is rarely the place of reasoned debate when we've lost let alone when we've won once at home all year.

Equally, I watched Matt Ryan at Leicester away in his 2nd game when he looked like a pub player. He came out for extra training at half time and was dropping balls you'd expect a county league player to have no issues with. He looked shot of confidence. As it happened, he went onto have a very good season and that was his nadir but I'd seriously question anyone that watched that game and walked away with the opinion "you know what lads, we've got a quality keeper on our hands here"

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Sorry (= not sorry) but that's as crap an analysis as I ever did see. THPP advice, same as it always was, is try actually watching what you're seeing while you're watching it

So by that measure improvement is impossible? We may as well not bother with a youth system? We should only get players or managers at the top of their ability right now?

Obvious nonsense.

We're a club that invests in the future. That applies to players and managers. If you can only judge someone at the time you're watching them, and not consider the possibility that they are learning and growing and improving in front of your eyes, tbh i'm not sure you'll ever be happy supporting Brighton.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Ask yourself honestly why either Hyypiä or Potter would be given the Albion gig in the first place - apart from maybe being the pounshop option. Just maybe ask yourself what that short list of three candidates must 'of' looked like...

 

[Badger Boy]

It was but he had problems with a hernia at the time, which wasn't widely known until afterward. He had three operations to finally solve it, the last being done in Germany.

It was pretty clear in the game against Leeds where Tommy Fraser swung at him!

I had forgotten Micky Mark 2 and the problems Glenn had. He was in good form right from the start under Dean Wilkins, despite the now well publicised issues behind the scenes. That season under Micky and then Slade was a real shame for Glenn. In fairness, criticising him that season wasn't unreasonable.

 

[Bakero]

Ask yourself honestly why either Hyypiä or Potter would be given the Albion gig in the first place - apart from maybe being the pounshop option. Just maybe ask yourself what that short list of three candidates must 'of' looked like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxbObXQYMNA

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

So by that measure improvement is impossible? We may as well not bother with a youth system? We should only get players or managers at the top of their ability right now?

Obvious nonsense.

We're a club that invests in the future. That applies to players and managers. If you can only judge someone at the time you're watching them, and not consider the possibility that they are learning and growing and improving in front of your eyes, tbh i'm not sure you'll ever be happy supporting Brighton.

Huge numbers of Clevor Trevors who will sometime in the future crow about the ones they were right about while remaining strangely quiet about the ones they were wrong about

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Huge numbers of Clevor Trevors who will sometime in the future crow about the ones they were right about while remaining strangely quiet about the ones they were wrong about

Plenty admitting they were wrong on this thread alone

 

[Jeremiah]

In the last couple of seasons I have voted Potter "Out" and Potter "In" on various polls on here. My only saving grace is that I always balanced it with the comment that if he kept us up he should stay and if he relegated us he should go.

However I would now be gutted to see Potter leave for any other Club (unless we were relegated under his care ) . I do feel he dodged some bullets by playing behind closed doors when the bad results were racking up but under Hyypia was far worse than anything served up by Potter.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Plenty admitting they were wrong on this thread alone

Tho most will be furiously back-pedalling by xmas

 

[Baldseagull]

Huge numbers of Clevor Trevors who will sometime in the future crow about the ones they were right about while remaining strangely quiet about the ones they were wrong about

Couple of players I have been wrong about, Rohan Ince I thought would have a good career, and Jiri Skalak.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Ask yourself honestly why either Hyypiä or Potter would be given the Albion gig in the first place - apart from maybe being the pounshop option.

Come off it. Cost was not the only reason - not even the primary reason the club went for Potter. Of course they could have paid someone a lot more - if that was your point. But by the same token they could have paid a lot less.

 

[Baldseagull]

Bouncing posts well out of their original context is the lowest of the low. An opinion based on facts today does not invalidate an opinion formed based on the facts of the time. At the time this was posted, we didn't look like being able to score a goal - let alone get a win. We've changed goalkeeper since then and we've performed far better on a match by match basis and climbed the table. The only crime of this thread is that the individuals didn't look into the future and correctly predict how it would turn out.

Maybe Hyypia would have turned it around as well, but he didn't get the chance that Potter did. That's the difference. Well, that and Hyypia didn't have any of the necessary tools to succeed. He had an awful squad with very poor future planning and only got one transfer window. There are plentiful differences but ultimately, fair play to Potter for turning it around.

Hyypia resigned, you can't support a manager that has lost belief in himself.

 

[Baldseagull]

This. Call it as you see it while you're seeing it. So many Clevor Trever cherry-picking after-timers. Sorry, but at the time GM WAS One-In-Ten-Glenn. Suck it up after-timers

Never thought Glenn couldn't do it, but it did look like he didn't want to be doing it at Brighton for a while.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Hyypia resigned, you can't support a manager that has lost belief in himself.

Reckon it was the Junior Seagulls Xmas Party that was the straw that broke the donkey's back. If memory serves Hyypia resigned the very next morning

 

[Baldseagull]

Ask yourself honestly why either Hyypiä or Potter would be given the Albion gig in the first place - apart from maybe being the pounshop option. Just maybe ask yourself what that short list of three candidates must 'of' looked like...

They had had success overseas and were fairly young and new to management, Gus was new to management after being a good assistant, Garcia had one season at Maccabi, the pattern is fairly clear.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

If yOo saY yoUR EngLiSh tHese DaYS theY thRoW YoU in jAil.


Nob.

Again, more kind words, thank you for your considered thoughtful opinion.

 

[Baldseagull]

Reckon it was the Junior Seagulls Xmas Party that was the straw that broke the donkey's back. If memory serves Hyypia resigned the very next morning

All I know is, Tony rejected his resignation the first time and persuaded him to carry on.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

Indeed. [MENTION=232]Simster[/MENTION] has a point, these views should have been challenged more at the time. Instead the thread was allowed to fall down the board. It has more posts on it now than then.

The fact was that at the time we'd won one single home game in a calendar year and that our calendar years of 2019 and 2020 were not particularly stellar. There was also an article suggesting that GP didn't even get to pick the starting XI by himself (or, at least, that was how people read it). Then there were the repeated issues; poor finishing, inability to break down a low block, conceding from corners and being out thought at half time. And those stats in the OP were accurate at the time.

There were posters (not on this thread which all but disappeared) who saw that GP would change all of that eventually and fair play to them, but I'd say a good half of the board had had enough at the juncture this was posted at.

A more interesting thought would be whether lockdown football gave GP the space he needed with no fans to barrack him (remember Bloom didn't want to fire SH, that came from the fans, particularly the Millwall game) or whether, with fans in the ground, our home record would have been a whole lot better anyway and threads like this would never have started.

Well played to [MENTION=41631]Fat Boy Fat[/MENTION] and his 20/20 hindsight though. Any tips for the 2018 Grand National?

Keep it under your hat, but I hear Tiger Roll has a good shout - I've got a monkey on it, but remember, gambling's a mugs game!

 

[e77]

It's a bit more nuanced than that and requires a good succession plan and understanding of the limits, IMO.

Palace got shot of FDB shortly into their experiment with him. No one will know what they would have done under him but instead they brought in the safe and trusted Roy and finished above us in every season (though playing uninspired stuff).

Hyypia got shot of himself and we also felt it was time to stop experimenting and go with the experience of Hughton. Until this season that was our most successful and he was the only one of a cabal of coaches and football directors to get us promoted (though playing pragmatic stuff when he felt it was needed).

On the other hand Arsenal were clearly correct to keep Wenger and Man U Ferguson, but neither club has ever adequately replaced them. Fergie is still part of the Man U cultural fabric now, looking on like The Godfather, while Arsenal have fallen from where they really want to be. And FWIW I don't think Liverpool will replace Klopp with as winning a coach when his time eventually comes.

Watford are pulling above their weight with a managerial merry-go-round. Leicester fired the title winning Ranieri and have stayed a fixture in the top six or seven.

I think the trick is probably to change coach before you have reached rock bottom. For all his shortcomings - and I would agree it was time to move on - Hughton had just kept us up. Ten years ago if you were in trouble in the Premier League you got on the phone to Pullis or Allardyce and and they more often or not would come along and keep you up. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore (certainly the latter couldn't turn West From round).

Taking off the blue and white googles you have to say Hodgson did a fair job at Selhurst but him and the squad got old together. Not sure I would have gone with Viera but if he finishes where they are now in a slightly transitional season he has probably done a good job.

Ferguson was a once in a generation manager who had the confidence to surround himself with talented coaches who came and went through the years and kept things fresh for the players. He was as much Director of Football as Manager but wouldn't have been given the time today and probably not allowed the authority to basically run the football side on his own (Dyche does the same at Burnley but they are a much smaller club).

Easy to say Wenger outstayed his welcome but Arsenal haven't exactly pulled up trees since he left. At some point when several managers fail you need to start looking at the club as the problem.

I can't help but think if Watford had a bit more patience with managers they would be in as much the same position as they are today.

 

[Swansman]

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