[News] Potential tragedy into good news

[Thunder Bolt]

Some more good news, the expected rain not arriving now until next week, which gives the rescue team a bit of breathing space.

 

[Vicar!]

Is that lad in the front row wearing an England shirt?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Is that lad in the front row wearing an England shirt?

It looked like it.

Apparently, one of the options whilst the rain is holding off, is to drill the rock, and make a narrow passage a little wider, to make it easier for inexperienced divers. If you look at the link I posted, there are cross section diagrams, showing the different areas.

 

[Pevenseagull]

View attachment 98318Is that lad in the front row wearing an England shirt?

Don't let him know that we beat ColUmbia on penalties.

 

[Triggaaar]

This is one incredible effort. A 2k dive required this morning it is said or the alternative is try and find away to sit out the monsoons I guess. WTF. Anyone who has ever dived will know how ridiculously difficult a 2k dive would be, unbelievable and this isnt an open water on the Barrier Reef or Red Sea with some nice fish and coral to look at, its bloody cave diving in hopeless condiitons to untrained divers who wont have seen the light of day and will be mentally and physically ****ed. I am gripped by this, the task in hand now should not be under estimated. I dont know, but if there is anyway to ride it out till after the monsoons that must be the less risky option I would guess

I think there's a lot we don't know yet. One issue with waiting it out is whether the area they're in is safe, or if that could flood too.

The whole journey to the cave entrance isn't underwater, so the diving would be in stages. A monumentally difficult dive, but for someone being led it would be considerably different. I imagine they'll be practising going under water for 20 minutes a time right where they are, then if they're led through each bit in stages, they'll be able to do it.

It must be torture down there, possibly 2 weeks is just the beginning. I did some caving once in Derbyshire where we had to turn our lights out and the darkness was undescribable. Blacker than black you could scrunch your eyes up and blink and it was no different if that makes sense

Those first 9 days must have been hell. At least they now have food, light, and hope.

 

[beorhthelm]

i heard this morning the plan is to use open face masks which are much easier, then take them out one at a time. i cant see them trying sit out the monsoon season and risk the cave getting flooded. there's lines, lights and a flotilla of navy divers, reckon they'll sort them out.

 

[Triggaaar]

i heard this morning the plan is to use open face masks which are much easier

Do they never leak water in? Easier for a beginner to get used to, but I think I'd feel more comfortable with a standard mouth-piece.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Do they never leak water in? Easier for a beginner to get used to, but I think I'd feel more comfortable with a standard mouth-piece.

I have no idea but found this.

https://www.divein.com/guide/dive-equipment/full-face-diving-mask/

 

[happypig]

Do they never leak water in? Easier for a beginner to get used to, but I think I'd feel more comfortable with a standard mouth-piece.

I'd much rather use a mask and standard regulator. If something snags a mask, you keep breathing and put it right. If something snags your regulator and pulls it out you go to your octopus (backup regulator) and sort out your main. If something snags a full-face mask you could be trying to sort out no vision AND no air; to an experienced diver that's not something to fear but to a teenager on his first dive without even the luxury of being able to bolt for the surface, it could be fatal.

Finding them was the easy part compared to getting them out; even highly experienced cave divers come a cropper :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36097300

 

[Triggaaar]

I'd much rather use a mask and standard regulator. If something snags a mask, you keep breathing and put it right. If something snags your regulator and pulls it out you go to your octopus (backup regulator) and sort out your main. If something snags a full-face mask you could be trying to sort out no vision AND no air; to an experienced diver that's not something to fear but to a teenager on his first dive without even the luxury of being able to bolt for the surface, it could be fatal.

Looking at the link from Thunder, it looks good if they can also have voice communication. Then if something isn't right, they can say, and the experts helping them can sort it out. Hand signals are likely to be a problem in the conditions they'll be in.

Finding them was the easy part compared to getting them out; even highly experienced cave divers come a cropper :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36097300

I'm not expert, but I think it's fair to say that was a more challenging dive. Very scary stuff.

 

[seagulls4ever]

I don't know anything about diving but from what I've read it would be an horrendous task for them to dive out. None of them can swim, zero visibility, strong currents, narrow passageways where divers had to remove equipment to get past. If any of them had an anxiety attack in those conditions it could be fatal for them, or their companions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n6ZyZoEB4o

 

[Leekbrookgull]

The film. First 30 minutes depicting the period up until their found, will be a black screen as they have not light.
The rescuers. If anybody deserves a Knighthood, surely it's these guys.
The rescue. If there's a god, he will ensure their safety. Stand by for an all nighter as they bring them out though.

What i would add here is that the two UK divers who found them are just beyond belief and yes maybe other divers were willing to go there,but total respect to these two.

 

[Gazwag]

A former Thai navy diver has died while taking part in efforts to rescue 12 boys and their football coach trapped in a flooded cave in Thailand.

Petty Officer Saman Gunan lost consciousness on his way out of the Tham Luang cave complex, where he had been delivering air tanks.

"His job was to deliver oxygen. He did not have enough on his way back," the Chiang Rai deputy governor said.

PO Saman was brought out by his dive partner but could not be revived.

Hope they leave the coach in there to rot

 

[Worried Man Blues]

I wouldn't have thought there is much swimming involved, crawling under water or being pulled on rope? Still unbelievably scary / dangerous.

 

[essbee1]

It scares me that if rain comes (and it is forecast) it could put the rescue back big time - I fear for those kids.

 

[Madafwo]

Finding them was the easy part compared to getting them out; even highly experienced cave divers come a cropper :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36097300

After reading their story I ended up watching the film they made about it, "Diving Into The Unknown", it really is incredible what they did just a few weeks after losing 2 friends.

I also saw the news when I woke up about the Ex-navy diver who died on the supply run over night. This is far from over and I hope I am wrong but I don't see this being the only death during this.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I wouldn't have thought there is much swimming involved, crawling under water or being pulled on rope? Still unbelievably scary / dangerous.

Tragedy has already struck one of the volunteers.

A former Thai navy diver has died while taking part in efforts to rescue 12 boys and their football coach trapped in a flooded cave in Thailand.

Petty Officer Saman Gunan lost consciousness on his way out of the Tham Luang cave complex, where he had been delivering air tanks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44734385

 

[dazzer6666]

Tragedy has already struck one of the volunteers.

A former Thai navy diver has died while taking part in efforts to rescue 12 boys and their football coach trapped in a flooded cave in Thailand.

Petty Officer Saman Gunan lost consciousness on his way out of the Tham Luang cave complex, where he had been delivering air tanks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44734385

Sad news....if anyone was in any doubt about how dangerous it would be to get untrained kids through those tunnels........

 

[clippedgull]

If you get out in time, you can come to the World Cup Final!

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