Possible bad news for a B777 [Malaysian MH370]

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Thats the CVR (Cockpit voice recorder) 30 mins is the minimum recording, CAA, FAA, NTSB, AAIB all recomend 2 hours recording.

FDR ( Flight data recorder ) will record all other parameters...ie flying controls, settings , in fact most things that are selectable on aircraft.

35 years aircraft engineer....but no 'expert' like all these oafs on TV

Likewise I was an aircraft engineer and I agree there's so much crap spoken from 'experts'.

When you hear something on tv that you know is rubbish, it makes you wonder about other things being spoken about subjects that you're a layman in.

 

[OzMike]

Beamed up by aliens!

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I would go along the lines of.... Suicide is a thing thousands of people think of daily, and usually it is what I would say is a feck it moment, when you just go for it. We see and hear of suicide attempts by people that say stand on a bridge but don't jump, it's that feck it moment.... He may have taken off fairly ok, a comment here a comment there a moment of reflection and realisation he won't see his children again as a father in a happy home and bang I'm doing this.... I don't think he set off to do it, he just thought feck it and with his extensive knowledge carried it out with perfection, the are they alive are they dead the agony of his wife not knowing and the guilt she would feel would give him one final feck you I am important and have power over you....

Maybe I am a bit mad myself for thinking this way myself, but I feel we all think similar when we are hurt.

Part ro all of this could also have been as a political protest against the leader of the opposition, Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim's conviction.

With the authorities settling on what amounts to air piracy, the Daily Mail is reporting a theory that the pilot of MH370 may have hijacked the plane as a political protest against Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim's latest sodomy conviction.

The British tabloid revealed that hours before he took command of the Boeing 777-200ER (9M-MRO) bound for Beijing last Saturday, Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah had gone to court on March 7 for the trial and sentencing of Anwar in the sodomy case.

The opposition leader was jailed for five years by the Court of Appeal which had overturned his High Court acquittal for sodomising a former aide in 2008.

The newspaper said police sources confirmed that the 53-year-old captain was a vocal political activist, and were probing into the probability that he would have been profoundly upset by the court ruling. http://my.news.yahoo.com/did-pilot-hijack-mh370-political-protest-against-anwar-014237465.html

As posters on this thread have alerady said, it's an important aspect of their culture to appear in control and all knowing so this would have been a way to embarrass them internationally and probably far more effective that any other form of protest that he may have been able to carry out. - As you say, it's the not knowing part thats key here.

The wife and children leaving may have played a part here, but also it could be that the wife knew that he was going to do something and they decided together that she should leave so that any suspicion and blame couldn't be directed at her afterwards and for her to appear innocent from all of this - she may have supported his plan? There must be a good chance that he practiced his plan on his simulator - why else would a captain of many years flying experience and regularly employed as one need it? - she must have witnessed this and maybe thought that was odd (increasing the chance she knew beforehand and left to avaoid suspicion?)

It's definitely looking like the pilot is responsible for this but we still can't be certain but it would appear, as you said, that he waited for the co-pilot to leave the cockpit, locked him out, changed course, climbed to 45,000ft to kill the passengers (and possibly himself at that point) after setting the autopilot for a course that took it to a point that would be very difficult to find the wreckage, leaving it to fly on until it ran out of fuel. Had they been able to track it, with everyone dead onboard, they wouldn't have been able to do anything to save the flight as there would ahve been no-one left to take over the controls

 

[dazzer6666]

Thought 777 had at least three on the flight deck......?

 

[The Oldman]

Thought 777 had at least three on the flight deck......?

No. Only two as do the 747's since the newer versions were introduced in the ? 80's. Airbuses as well only Have 2
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[Guinness Boy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26714628

 

[DTES]

Looks like they've found it - relatives getting on a charter plane to Australia, and Malaysian PM to give a press conference in half an hour.

 

[Hillian1]

Looks like they've found it - relatives getting on a charter plane to Australia, and Malaysian PM to give a press conference in half an hour.

I wonder what the tin foil hatters will move onto next?

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

Malaysian PM has announced that satellite data has shown the last position of the flight was 1000 miles West of Perth, far from any landing site - therefore no one on board has survived.

Seems they are currently searching in the correct area and it also seems like a matter of time until they find the wreckage.

 

[Hillian1]

A text message to the relatives to say this?

"Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived," the airline said in a text message to relatives.

 

[Triggaaar]

A text message to the relatives to say this?

Saves time and stamps having to send out a couple of hundred letters.

 

[Ernest]

Next question is what was it going that way for ?

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Why? May the 4th be with you.

Despite this being the date of my daughter's birth, we managed to avoid naming her "Leia"



She not happy about being called CP30 much either .......

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Anyway, no laughing matter. I have been following the thread on the PPRuNe site which now has almost 8,000 posts over almost 400 pages. Even the 777 pilots and engineers, who can come up with many POSSIBLE reasons cannot say what happened with any certainty. What most are agreed on is that this is important to fully investigate as the lessons that could be learned may change aviation in the future. The "not knowing for sure" for friends and family must be awful.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Next question is what was it going that way for ?

1. Hijack
2. Elaborate suicide / mass murder
3. Catastrophic failure of navigation systems
4. Crew and passengers overcome by smoke / fumes / depressurisation
5. U.S. Military pilot who was clever enough to evade detection for decades and ensure he had the plane full of "stuff" and "people" that he needed couldn't find Diego Garcia

 

[Lady Whistledown]

1. Hijack
2. Elaborate suicide / mass murder
3. Catastrophic failure of navigation systems
4. Crew and passengers overcome by smoke / fumes / depressurisation
5. U.S. Military pilot who was clever enough to evade detection for decades and ensure he had the plane full of "stuff" and "people" that he needed couldn't find Diego Garcia

6. Master race of giant space ants invaded earth & beamed it up

(And I for one welcome our new insect overlords)

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

7. Downed by a Jason Puncheon spot-kick

 

[Matrix10]

Despite all the searching it was the UK Air Accident Investigation Branch in this country that proved the flight path with entirely new technology.

 

[beorhthelm]

1. Hijack
2. Elaborate suicide / mass murder
3. Catastrophic failure of navigation systems
4. Crew and passengers overcome by smoke / fumes / depressurisation
5. U.S. Military pilot who was clever enough to evade detection for decades and ensure he had the plane full of "stuff" and "people" that he needed couldn't find Diego Garcia

if we analyse these options...

1 and 2 are the same thing since they didnt go anywhere meaningful.
2 doesnt seem right. why not ditch it into a mountain, building? cant be to avoid hurting innocents can it. wouldnt rule out though.
3 is unrealistic, sooner or later the pilot would realise they were on the wrong path. and how did they come to be on this path?
4 is open.
5 see 3, unrealistic that a military pilot wouldn't be able to navigate west-wards.

so the smoke/decompression seems the most likly. then aliens.

 

[El Sid]

Unless they find debris I'm still convinced it's all part of Derren Brown's next stunning TV show.

 

[Soulman]

I stated early on in the thread, after speaking with an air traffic controller, that something was afoot.
It seemed very suspicious with all the technology in the field of radars....that this flight could "fall under the radar".
This article may not be the truth, but i still think there has been a big cover up.
Anyway, this to add to the debate.
http://worldtruth.tv/rothschild-inherits-a-semiconductor-patent-for-freescale-semiconductors/