I heard that and wondered if it was a Palarse fan in disguise. Surely no Albion fan could make such a crass comment?
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[Football] Poor old Bury
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I heard that and wondered if it was a Palarse fan in disguise. Surely no Albion fan could make such a crass comment?
sjamesb3466
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I would really hope not.
Cowfold Seagull
Fan of the 17 bus
Plenty of more recent Albion fans who weren't around in the bad old days.
Shooting Star
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Some of the Colchester fans I know are certainly feeling this way as they narrowly missed out on the playoffs (whilst on the other hand still remaining sympathetic to Bury fans to some extent).
You'd have thought 15% of the gate receipts of their dream draw against Massive Wednesday would have been enough to clear their debts 45 times over.
15% of ten quid a ticket, times a gate of, what, 78,000 or so - surely that's what we're talking here?
True - but you'd think they'd have some awareness of what we went through.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
I can certainly understand that. Its not totally unlike a Pompey or Palace situation, albeit on a far smaller scale as its happened in the lower leagues as opposed to the upper echelons. I lifted this from a special report currently on the Mails sport website:
"It is a story of financial mismanagement dating back to previous owner Stewart Day, whose constant borrowing makes the list of creditors look like a shopping receipt. Key players are believed to have been earning close to £10,000 a week — an exorbitant amount for a League One club.
When Sheffield United signed Leon Clarke from Bury in 2016 they could not match the striker's Gigg Lane wages and had to add another year on to his contract.
Jermaine Pennant, Ishmael Miller and Chris Brown, all with Premier League pedigree, arrived that same season and played 10 games between them. Brown never played for the club.
The money lavished by Day was unsustainable for a Manchester satellite club who, on average, attract fewer than 4,000 home fans. His open discussion of plans to build a new 20,000-seat stadium is painful in hindsight. This grand talk and gargantuan wage structure was juxtaposed with discussions over scrapping the club's matchday programme."
My company actually worked with Bury FC in 2017, billing them about £8,500 to place a Director there. It soon became apparent that they were in financial dire straights though. They did actually pay in the end, but all in dribs and drabs over the course of about 6 months until it was cleared.
They've been a total shambles for years now, so whilst I can understand the calls for Premier League clubs to help bail clubs like Bury out, given the multi-millions that exist at the top of the pyramid, its hard to marry that up with the rank incompetence of the owners who recklessly put clubs like Bury in this position in the first place.
Looks like Bury are now well and truly screwed .... thanks to Dale.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49410172
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49410172
Horton's halftime iceberg
Blooming Marvellous
Chills me to my core, he is their Archer and wants his pound of flesh at any cost, even that of a great old football club.
I really hope something can be done at this late stage.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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According to the report in the post right above yours, it’s not at all down to just him?
But it's Dale that has refused accept an offer put to him and effectively meaning the club will be kicked out the EFL.
portlock seagull
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Brinkmanship. Also, seems bit like blaming the fireman for not stopping the arsonists fire.
I might be wrong but to me as an outsider Dale looks very Archer like .... but without the eye patch.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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More of a Stanley, nobody is anywhere near Archer. The Sauron of Soccer.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
I missed this on TalkSPORT the other day, not sure if anyone else heard it. But a Bury player (Dawson) and the owner Steve Dale had a RIGHT old ding-dong, live on air. Here's the transcript. Amazing stuff.
STEPHEN DAWSON (Bury midfielder)
Listen, chairman. Let's cut to the chase. You haven't bothered to pay us in months.
You've constantly lied to everyone. You've not shown facts to the EFL. You haven't shown that you've got the money to sustain this club.
For months you've kept quiet. You've sacked good people at the club. You've not paid anyone in months.
I'm on the verge of losing everything. I've had to listen to what you've had to say for months.
You can try to say you've saved the club. Get your money and leave the club. Or otherwise, this club is no more.
STEVEN DALE (Bury owner)
Ask Mr Dawson: did he receive, from the beginning, 50 per cent of his wages?
DAWSON
Excuse me, 50 per cent from who? We've had to...
DALE
Have the PFA paid you, up to the CVA, 50 per cent of your wages? Yes or no?
DAWSON
They paid us two months' wages.
DALE
No, they paid you four months.
DAWSON
Steve, I'm not going to row.
DALE
Just answer: yes or no.
DAWSON
We've received two months off the PFA, which is a loan. You have paid me once in six months. I do not lie.
DALE
Let's get to the chase here. The PFA paid, on my request, that I would repay the money to them, which we've agreed. It's been agreed and signed. (You've had) 50 per cent of your wages every month since the catastrophe started.
Is that right or is that wrong?
DAWSON
Lies.
DALE
Sorry?
DAWSON
Lies.
He's got no money.
DALE
There's no requirement to throw money at them (today). It's been agreed in the CVA to take all the players and we've agreed with the PFA to completely pay the players up within the CVA. That has been dealt with.
DAWSON
(exasperated grown) It's lies.
DALE (addressing host Jim White)
Jim, you arrange for me to meet Simon Jordan and I'll give him all the proof to back up what I'm saying. I'm not getting into slanging matches.
JIM WHITE
Is it not true that Simon Jordan asked you to show him your evidence of proof of funds and you've still to do that?
DAWSON
He can't do it.
DALE
Look, you've got a man on the line who's just like the people online who just keep saying the same stuff over and over.
WHITE
Give the players and fans some hope here. You're still the owner.
DALE
I'm fully aware of that. By saving the club from bankruptcy from Stewart Day's era, all I've got is stick.
I tell you something, it's no wonder chairmen walk away from clubs.
MARTIN KEOWN
Steve, can I just ask. I'm just looking for a solution now. Is it not in the best interests if you step aside?
Do you own the land the ground sits on? Are you holding onto that for any reason? Are you hoping this club dies a death so you can sweep up and sell the land?
DALE
What a stupid remark. Can you hear yourself? Oh yeah, there really is (a financial benefit) - making a fortune out of it!
WHITE
Stephen Dawson has come on, he's a desperate man struggling to feed his family.
DALE
Do you truly believe that remark? That Mr Dawson is struggling to feed his family and getting thrown out of his house.
WHITE
I believe he's in financial crisis.
DALE
Everything with you guys is blow it to the maximum. Mr Dawson is not going to get thrown out of his house.
He can feed his family.
DAWSON
That sums up everything. It sums up the man and human being he is. How does he know that I'm not getting kicked out?
DALE
They are allegations by you.
DAWSON
If I lose my job next week then my house is gone. Simple. He's just told lies for six months.
He doesn't pay anyone. If he has the chance to sell I'm begging him.
DALE
Ask Mr Dawson, was he paid last month in full by me. Since the CVA, have I paid you every month?
DAWSON
Lies. And I can prove it.
DALE
No, I said to you: since the CVA, have you been paid every month by me?
DAWSON
No.
DALE
The club will not close. Fact. I'm the one who's not sleeping, trying to save it from a catastrophe.
Well let's just watch this space and I'll prove it.
I'll get Jill Neville to send you a letter: she's paid that man every month since the CVA.
A lot of people will eat their words when this is sorted.
STEPHEN DAWSON (Bury midfielder)
Listen, chairman. Let's cut to the chase. You haven't bothered to pay us in months.
You've constantly lied to everyone. You've not shown facts to the EFL. You haven't shown that you've got the money to sustain this club.
For months you've kept quiet. You've sacked good people at the club. You've not paid anyone in months.
I'm on the verge of losing everything. I've had to listen to what you've had to say for months.
You can try to say you've saved the club. Get your money and leave the club. Or otherwise, this club is no more.
STEVEN DALE (Bury owner)
Ask Mr Dawson: did he receive, from the beginning, 50 per cent of his wages?
DAWSON
Excuse me, 50 per cent from who? We've had to...
DALE
Have the PFA paid you, up to the CVA, 50 per cent of your wages? Yes or no?
DAWSON
They paid us two months' wages.
DALE
No, they paid you four months.
DAWSON
Steve, I'm not going to row.
DALE
Just answer: yes or no.
DAWSON
We've received two months off the PFA, which is a loan. You have paid me once in six months. I do not lie.
DALE
Let's get to the chase here. The PFA paid, on my request, that I would repay the money to them, which we've agreed. It's been agreed and signed. (You've had) 50 per cent of your wages every month since the catastrophe started.
Is that right or is that wrong?
DAWSON
Lies.
DALE
Sorry?
DAWSON
Lies.
He's got no money.
DALE
There's no requirement to throw money at them (today). It's been agreed in the CVA to take all the players and we've agreed with the PFA to completely pay the players up within the CVA. That has been dealt with.
DAWSON
(exasperated grown) It's lies.
DALE (addressing host Jim White)
Jim, you arrange for me to meet Simon Jordan and I'll give him all the proof to back up what I'm saying. I'm not getting into slanging matches.
JIM WHITE
Is it not true that Simon Jordan asked you to show him your evidence of proof of funds and you've still to do that?
DAWSON
He can't do it.
DALE
Look, you've got a man on the line who's just like the people online who just keep saying the same stuff over and over.
WHITE
Give the players and fans some hope here. You're still the owner.
DALE
I'm fully aware of that. By saving the club from bankruptcy from Stewart Day's era, all I've got is stick.
I tell you something, it's no wonder chairmen walk away from clubs.
MARTIN KEOWN
Steve, can I just ask. I'm just looking for a solution now. Is it not in the best interests if you step aside?
Do you own the land the ground sits on? Are you holding onto that for any reason? Are you hoping this club dies a death so you can sweep up and sell the land?
DALE
What a stupid remark. Can you hear yourself? Oh yeah, there really is (a financial benefit) - making a fortune out of it!
WHITE
Stephen Dawson has come on, he's a desperate man struggling to feed his family.
DALE
Do you truly believe that remark? That Mr Dawson is struggling to feed his family and getting thrown out of his house.
WHITE
I believe he's in financial crisis.
DALE
Everything with you guys is blow it to the maximum. Mr Dawson is not going to get thrown out of his house.
He can feed his family.
DAWSON
That sums up everything. It sums up the man and human being he is. How does he know that I'm not getting kicked out?
DALE
They are allegations by you.
DAWSON
If I lose my job next week then my house is gone. Simple. He's just told lies for six months.
He doesn't pay anyone. If he has the chance to sell I'm begging him.
DALE
Ask Mr Dawson, was he paid last month in full by me. Since the CVA, have I paid you every month?
DAWSON
Lies. And I can prove it.
DALE
No, I said to you: since the CVA, have you been paid every month by me?
DAWSON
No.
DALE
The club will not close. Fact. I'm the one who's not sleeping, trying to save it from a catastrophe.
Well let's just watch this space and I'll prove it.
I'll get Jill Neville to send you a letter: she's paid that man every month since the CVA.
A lot of people will eat their words when this is sorted.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Time to go if they can't play a fixture, simply not fair on the rest of the teams in the league missing fixtures and revenue
Nottseagull
Well-known member
But that would guarantee them missing fixtures and revenue! No team is going to be promoted to take their place this season.
One Team Short Shirley was the name of a rock band I was in during the 70's.
Nottseagull
Well-known member
Even Radio 4 are about to have a feature on PM!
Apparently a director has chained themselves to something at Gigg Lane.
Apparently a director has chained themselves to something at Gigg Lane.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
They have to sort it soon, teams are getting a pay day from fixtures whilst those scheduled to play Bury aren't which isn't fair as these teams need the gate money