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PMQ - Boris v Starmer - Spider And The Fly
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Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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This should be almost as entertaining as the Novax contortions 
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
He's making a statement beforehand, so I expect it to be 'It's under investigation so I cannot answer that'. Sue Gray etc
Machiavelli
Well-known member
Whatever gave you that impression
As has been pointed out elsewhere, in addition he's apologised -- will that be sufficient?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Whatever gave you that impression
As has been pointed out elsewhere, in addition he's apologised -- will that be sufficient?
He's apologised for misjudgments but not for lying about them.
The Independent Wednesday January 12th
All this will blend into one, in the end. It always does. Boris Johnson’s meaningless apologies already feel like Theresa May’s meaningful votes. They were important at the time, apparently. Now you’d struggle to remember which was which and what was the point of any of them.
If an inquiry into parties at Downing Street is likely to find Johnson has broken the law and must resign, he is far too practised in the art of evasion to ever have commissioned it in the first place
For a prime minister to pre-empt Prime Minister’s Questions by having to apologise for his own behaviour before a question has even been asked is a vanishing rarity. That Johnson has now done it twice in as many months is precisely because on the first occasion he was lying. And he was lying on this occasion too, so it is close to a certainty that a third occasion will be along shortly.
Johnson’s contrition act was a one-star performance the first time around. It is unlikely the nation will be happy to have had to go and see the show again, not least as this one was even less convincing than the last.
Last time around, we were expected to believe that the prime minister was completely unaware of drunken parties that had been happening in 10 Downing Street, where he also lives, one of which had gone on beyond midnight. This time around we were expected to believe that he had gone to a party, at which food and drink had been laid out, to which an invitation containing the phrase “bring your own booze” had been sent, he stayed there for 25 minutes and had then left, not knowing he had been at a party.
Actually, that is not quite true. We are not expected to believe it, because he knows that nobody possibly can believe it. This particular lie was artfully crafted. He went to the party but didn’t know it was a party, and it was in his own garden. These are lies carefully chosen, words meticulously deployed to weave through the legal obstacles before him. They are a technically legal way forward.
It’s not important to listen to or remember a word that Johnson says. None of it is true. Over the past months, as revelation after revelation has come out, and the public have become ever more stunned and angered by them, it’s important to remember the only person to have been surprised by none of it is Johnson himself.
He has always known what happened, and always known what he did. If an inquiry into parties at Downing Street is likely to find he has broken the law and must resign, he is far too practised in the art of evasion to ever have commissioned it in the first place.
“His defence that he didn’t realise he was at a party is so ridiculous that it’s actually offensive to the British public,” Keir Starmer told him. And he knows what the rest of us know – that it’s true. And he knows an apology to the British people can’t possibly count for anything when it is underpinned by the requirement of those people to believe what are quite possibly the most preposterous lies ever told in British political history.
These sorts of affairs tend to percolate down to the same choice, between dishonesty and incompetence, and both are as bad as the other. It is not always fair, but it’s not always unfair either.
Johnson will not resign. In the short term, his fate will be decided by his party, and they will not be asking themselves the same question the rest of the country is asking – namely, is this person fit to lead? – because they knew the answer to that was “no” two and half years ago, and it didn’t stop them then.
But it won’t be altogether long before they’ve got to walk up driveways, knock on doors, and find something to say to the people whom they, by proxy, expect to be stupid enough either to believe that the most powerful man in the country can go to an illegal party in his garden and not know it’s a party. Or alternatively, that the most powerful man in the country is lacking in the vanishingly small amount of leadership skills required to prevent an illegal party from happening in his own garden.
There is no answer to either, not least as the truth is almost certainly both. And on that basis, don’t be surprised if the third apology is the final one. That one, of course, will be the one that actually has consequences for Johnson himself, so it might even sound sincere.
All this will blend into one, in the end. It always does. Boris Johnson’s meaningless apologies already feel like Theresa May’s meaningful votes. They were important at the time, apparently. Now you’d struggle to remember which was which and what was the point of any of them.
If an inquiry into parties at Downing Street is likely to find Johnson has broken the law and must resign, he is far too practised in the art of evasion to ever have commissioned it in the first place
For a prime minister to pre-empt Prime Minister’s Questions by having to apologise for his own behaviour before a question has even been asked is a vanishing rarity. That Johnson has now done it twice in as many months is precisely because on the first occasion he was lying. And he was lying on this occasion too, so it is close to a certainty that a third occasion will be along shortly.
Johnson’s contrition act was a one-star performance the first time around. It is unlikely the nation will be happy to have had to go and see the show again, not least as this one was even less convincing than the last.
Last time around, we were expected to believe that the prime minister was completely unaware of drunken parties that had been happening in 10 Downing Street, where he also lives, one of which had gone on beyond midnight. This time around we were expected to believe that he had gone to a party, at which food and drink had been laid out, to which an invitation containing the phrase “bring your own booze” had been sent, he stayed there for 25 minutes and had then left, not knowing he had been at a party.
Actually, that is not quite true. We are not expected to believe it, because he knows that nobody possibly can believe it. This particular lie was artfully crafted. He went to the party but didn’t know it was a party, and it was in his own garden. These are lies carefully chosen, words meticulously deployed to weave through the legal obstacles before him. They are a technically legal way forward.
It’s not important to listen to or remember a word that Johnson says. None of it is true. Over the past months, as revelation after revelation has come out, and the public have become ever more stunned and angered by them, it’s important to remember the only person to have been surprised by none of it is Johnson himself.
He has always known what happened, and always known what he did. If an inquiry into parties at Downing Street is likely to find he has broken the law and must resign, he is far too practised in the art of evasion to ever have commissioned it in the first place.
“His defence that he didn’t realise he was at a party is so ridiculous that it’s actually offensive to the British public,” Keir Starmer told him. And he knows what the rest of us know – that it’s true. And he knows an apology to the British people can’t possibly count for anything when it is underpinned by the requirement of those people to believe what are quite possibly the most preposterous lies ever told in British political history.
These sorts of affairs tend to percolate down to the same choice, between dishonesty and incompetence, and both are as bad as the other. It is not always fair, but it’s not always unfair either.
Johnson will not resign. In the short term, his fate will be decided by his party, and they will not be asking themselves the same question the rest of the country is asking – namely, is this person fit to lead? – because they knew the answer to that was “no” two and half years ago, and it didn’t stop them then.
But it won’t be altogether long before they’ve got to walk up driveways, knock on doors, and find something to say to the people whom they, by proxy, expect to be stupid enough either to believe that the most powerful man in the country can go to an illegal party in his garden and not know it’s a party. Or alternatively, that the most powerful man in the country is lacking in the vanishingly small amount of leadership skills required to prevent an illegal party from happening in his own garden.
There is no answer to either, not least as the truth is almost certainly both. And on that basis, don’t be surprised if the third apology is the final one. That one, of course, will be the one that actually has consequences for Johnson himself, so it might even sound sincere.
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Machiavelli
Well-known member
Comedy Gold today. Was it the last one?
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Sir Fence breaking the roolz, mentioning the Royal Family?
Desperate.
Desperate.
nicko31
Well-known member
180k dead, highest in Europe
I played a blinder, no more facemasks!!!
Rejoice, rejoice..
I played a blinder, no more facemasks!!!
Rejoice, rejoice..
Sir Fence breaking the roolz, mentioning the Royal Family?
Desperate.
Captain Hindsight looks like he’s following Johnson in being a fat ****, he’s definitely put on weight, which will be a nightmare as he only owns one suit [emoji23][emoji23][emoji2357]
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Starmer again missing opportunities to properly grill Johnson.
“Resign! Resign! Resign”!
Yes, we get it. Now get dirty and skewer the corrupt, law breaking oaf.
“Resign! Resign! Resign”!
Yes, we get it. Now get dirty and skewer the corrupt, law breaking oaf.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Captain Hindsight looks like he’s following Johnson in being a fat ****, he’s definitely put on weight, which will be a nightmare as he only owns one suit [emoji23][emoji23][emoji2357]Sir Fence breaking the roolz, mentioning the Royal Family?
Desperate.
Johnson's lapdogs still running and barking in his defence every time he whistles is indeed looking somewhat ...
... desperate
Time for you two to find a new hero
sydney
tinky ****in winky
Starmer is Tony Blairs bitch , he'll do nothing new unless instructed from above , he leads labour like Snorky leads the Banana Splts.
We are all being rinsed , if you have a job you are getting rinsed every week , fortnight or if you're a salary merchant , monthly.
I’m on the fence with Starmer. I can’t figure out if he’s being smart by playing “the patient man” or if he lacks backbone.
It’s not like Johnson needs much assistance in stepping on his own land mine. But still, I’d like to see Starmer on the attack a bit more often.
It’s not like Johnson needs much assistance in stepping on his own land mine. But still, I’d like to see Starmer on the attack a bit more often.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Pretty much this, being funny doesn’t suit him, and he’s wasted the last two PMQ’s trying to be clever about Jonson’s stupid party’s when there is sooo much more to be beating him about.
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- Jul 10, 2003
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Looks like you have another long busy day ahead of you on NSC desperately defending Johnson again
Let's hope it's not as long and more productive than your shift yesterday. Good luck
It makes me cringe when he sets up, flags, delivers and then chuckles at his own jokes. Plus he looks like Roger Melly, Man On Telly.
I was watching Raynor to his side and she didn’t seem that impressed with his little one liners either, like your dad doing a shit best man speech [emoji23]
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......refocusing on the mendacious PM; after all he is the one in power......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRL7mWuov6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRL7mWuov6Q