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[Albion] Player recruitment has been THE failing



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Guinness Boy said:
That's funny. Because, when I've suggested Potter might not be up to it then people have asked me who would replace him. Yet you are willing to say our players are not up to it but not who is out there who is better but in our range ???
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Pay me a full time wage to learn the market and I will research it.
I love a negotiation, so hope to bag good value.

I can't just pluck out players from thin air with no idea of budgets.

I have heard a lad called Warren, would be keen he will play for a pie and shandy goal bonus.

Any good???
 






peterward

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It certainly seems fair to say that if we had Lacazette on the bench, we’d have won that match, just as Arsenal did.

But top strikers are way out of our reach. And, for all the poor signings, there are several that have been absolute bargains. Most Premier league squads at our level have had their fair share of players that didn’t work out.
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It wasnt just Lacazettes quality though that was the difference, It was that Burn was skinned and couldnt keep up, then the defence were a shambles and gave Lacazette all the time in the world without marking him.
 


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Farehamseagull said:
Ulloa, Knockaert, Murray, Lamptey not successful then?

He clearly is happy to buy in January if necessary which it obviously is now.
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Murray was a loan from the league above was he not ?

You can have the other 3 though... but still not convincing in over 10 years.

Without factoring in the fact to buy players you need a club to sell, and why would a club sell their better / best players mid season?

Likewise I don’t think we would sell White, Lamptey, or Bissouma in a January window
 


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In effect, I suppose I’m saying that TB will need to spend beyond that bottom 6 budget, or spend more wisely on quality (which might include the loan system, with a player on higher wages than we normally pay).

@El Pres still maintains that we have a bottom 6 budget, as you correctly mention.

TB is banking on GP being an alchemist, making from a bottom 6 budget, a mid-table or top 10 club. It’s partly worked in that Lamptey, Bissouma and March have improved so much already, even the harshest of GP critics must accept that.

But the bottom line in the unforgiving EPL is that money always talks in the end. If TB wants us to no longer be a relegation candidate, it looks like he’s going to have to invest in players of quality.

Imho.
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I agree with this broadly, but it's not just money, it's also spending it wisely (I think Bloom has been a bit too 'wise' on that front), and also having a great structure (I think Bloom has done wonders here).
RE Potter as alchemist, he obviously isn't, but what he has done is to bring players through from the DS. This is one of the ways that Bloom wants to cheat/beat the brutal financial logic of the PL, and Potter has done brilliantly on that front, irrespective of what you think of his tactics, selections, demeanour, etc
The bit I (probably) disagree with is that I suspect that Bloom expects us to be a relegation candidate, I do, and am surprised you are talking as though we can escape it (although -- as ever with NSC -- perhaps I've misinterpreted your nuance).

There was talk on this thread about Giroud. I still think we should bust a gut to get him. He wants to play in the Euros (if they happen), he's not getting much game time at Chelsea. He'd get plenty with us. He'd get goals too. It'd cost a fortune in wages for the next six months, but it's the easiest way out of our predicament.
That's unless Bloom wants to really gamble and bank on the season being closed down by CV19 (which looks highly likely at present).
 






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Machiavelli said:
I agree with this broadly, but it's not just money, it's also spending it wisely (I think Bloom has been a bit too 'wise' on that front), and also having a great structure (I think Bloom has done wonders here).
RE Potter as alchemist, he obviously isn't, but what he has done is to bring players through from the DS. This is one of the ways that Bloom wants to cheat/beat the brutal financial logic of the PL, and Potter has done brilliantly on that front, irrespective of what you think of his tactics, selections, demeanour, etc
The bit I (probably) disagree with is that I suspect that Bloom expects us to be a relegation candidate, I do, and am surprised you are talking as though we can escape it (although -- as ever with NSC -- perhaps I've misinterpreted your nuance).

There was talk on this thread about Giroud. I still think we should bust a gut to get him. He wants to play in the Euros (if they happen), he's not getting much game time at Chelsea. He'd get plenty with us. He'd get goals too. It'd cost a fortune in wages for the next six months, but it's the easiest way out of our predicament.
That's unless Bloom wants to really gamble and bank on the season being closed down by CV19 (which looks highly likely at present).
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Giroud - love him. We can never understand why Fat Frank plays TA ahead of him.

I think along the lines of the loanee market too.

All guesswork by us, but I think TB would be surprised but not shocked that we are 4th bottom and cannot buy a win. No doubt a positive person/businessman, the Board would’ve been pleased with the debut season under the DA/GP combo. Not just the final points tally, but style of play and xG etc. metrics.

The bottom line is that appear to be only, maximum 5 or 6 relegation candidates this season, unlike the very long list after 16 games last season. 2016/17 had three clubs stinking the PL out. Clubs such as West Ham and Villa have spent their way away from danger.

There’s possibly a 50:50 chance we’ll drop, without a striker tucking chances away, a defensive system that stops some of these avoidable goals.

A penny for TB’s thoughts and plans tonight!
 






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The logic why things are not a surprise is that we spent a cumulative figure (£200m +) to finish 6th from bottom in 19/20 and peanuts ahead of 20/21 while some rivals spent a fortune (villa finished 4th from bottom 19/20). It was always going to be a relegation battle.
 




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HantsSeagull said:
this. and peterborough another striker conveyor belt.

and when we do buy a striker off brentford, its the wrong one!
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I know.... who could have predicted that the 30 goal striker / chance creator Ollie Watkins would be good?!!! Villa got him for less than any 2 of: Locadia / Aj / Izweirdo / Trossard

Agree on Posh. And Ivan Toney going from Posh to Brentford just encapsulates this
 




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People talk about Moneyball, the thing is we’re not a Moneyball team yet, for that to happen we actually need to buy low and sell high. We haven’t sold anyone yet.
As tough as it will be we actually need to sell a Lamptey or Bissouma for serious profit. The concern is for me is how that profit then gets reinvested given our appalling recent record in signing strikers.
 


Badger Boy

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Recruitment is not the problem. The players are very good, the manager is not using them in an efficient or successful manner. He needs to change.
 


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TB made the strategic decision, with his recruitment/analytical team, to avoid expensive tried n tested EPL players, players who’d break our modest (by EPL standards) pay structure. We’ve dabbled in the Dutch League with huge imho blunders. Both CH and GP have been hamstrung with squads lacking in key areas.

Or putting it another, which of the following players would be chased by EPL clubs should we drop next summer?:

Propper
Burn
Gross
Jahanbakhsh
Ryan
Bernardo

I’d venture, none.

Recruitment has just also been mentioned on Amazon as our failing.

Whether or not Potter is sacked, we have some substandard players in and around our first team, not good enough in their roles by a long way. The club took the punt and it’s failing - 3.5 years on a knife edge battling relegation.

They need to act in early January.
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Very well said. At least 2 of our starting line up tonight have no place in a PL team. Both begin with a B. Several others are squad at best, and even then you could have a blazing row as to whether or not they even warrant that.

Brighton’s ‘bargain bin’ experiment has failed. Even the fur coat’s fake, never mind the lack of knickers.
 




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portlock seagull

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Milano said:
People talk about Moneyball, the thing is we’re not a Moneyball team yet, for that to happen we actually need to buy low and sell high. We haven’t sold anyone yet.
As tough as it will be we actually need to sell a Lamptey or Bissouma for serious profit. The concern is for me is how that profit then gets reinvested given our appalling recent record in signing strikers.
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It is a worry. I’d hazard also though that never mind worrying over whether we buy the right striker, there’s every chance we won’t even play him if we did! Some bizarre team selections and tonight wasn’t the first time we’ve taken the field with no recognised strikers starting yet several, including leading scorers are sat on the bench. Like Arsenal are akin to Newport County and we only need to bring them on late in the second half if we get into trouble!
 


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BrianWade4 said:
I know.... who could have predicted that the 30 goal striker / chance creator Ollie Watkins would be good?!!! Villa got him for less than any 2 of: Locadia / Aj / Izweirdo / Trossard

Agree on Posh. And Ivan Toney going from Posh to Brentford just encapsulates this
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Yes Oli Watkins with 6 goals this season (3 against Liverpool....)

Neal Maupay with 5
 










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We have paid some massive transfer fees for players the last 3/4 seasons and the majority don’t play, who the hell has got us to spend all that on garbage that are not good enough to play at this level.
 


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