[Albion] Player ratings vs Wolves (a)

[pb21]

Didn’t see any of the game but according to the BBC website we didnt get any cards (importantly Ali Mac who was on a suspension I think)

Nope?

Ah, ballsed up there, was sure he got a yellow for that!

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

6 - average

Sanchez - 6
Webster - 7
Dunk - 6
Estupinan - 7
Caciedo - 8
MacAllister - 7
Lallana - 8
Gross - 7
Mitoma - 9
March - 8
Trossard - 6

Gilmour - great sub by RdZ - 7
Welbeck - 6
Undav - 6
Veltman - N/A

 

[zefarelly]

Sanchez 6
Gross 8 -- just keeps on going, so glad it was him the ball fell to. His fifth of the season.
Webster 6 -- a bit mixed today
Dunk 6 -- don't wave your arms above your head in the penalty area; beyond that, a couple of stunning balls to Mitoma
Estupinan 6 -- a bit clumsy today
Ali Mac 6 -- decent free kicks, but was a little anonymous today despite us dominating possession
Caicedo 6 -- also clumsy today
March 7 -- stretched them out wide, one great interception, impressive dynamo
Lallana 9 -- best performance for the club. Expertly finished one goal, and sublime play to assist another. Made things happen
Mitoma 9.5 MotM -- tries things, last week (for me) too much didn't pay off, today most things did. A delightful pre-assist threaded through a tight space with the outside of his foot; an excellent header to score his first goal (never thought I'd say that); stunning first touch to draw the foul for the red; brilliant close control, acceleration and pull back for the winner. And, apart from that, caused havoc
Trossard 7 -- lovely lay off for the first, some inventive stuff, kept their defenders occupied

Welbeck 5 -- thought he was poor, gave away too many silly free kicks, and didn't capitalise on a few opportunities
Gilmour 6
Undav 7 -- an assist, a lovely turn and shot. Positive cameo
Veltman n/a

Lovely game of football, with the right outcome

I generally agree . . . But . . .


Sanchez 5.7359 - really needs some penalty coaching. My dog is better At spot kicks. (I'm not joking either) he made a few saves, but conceded 2 against relegation fodder.


Gross 9.2 - A General of utility, the perfect player in so many respects, including match winner.

Lallana 9.8 . . .best game since he joined BHA, so pleased to see him calmly slot one home, and play like we know he can. An hour of that is better than 2 of most players.

MItoma . . . . . . . . . . . 9.2 as well . . . Getting better by the game.

 

[Sheebo]

Got a yellow for that didn't he

No - it wasn’t even given a foul - but the ref then gave a late soft one against Pervs as the Wolves player dived around and the crowd howled…! Saw someone else say about an early yellow for Caicedo on another thread and assumed I’d missed it but stats suggest we had no bookings today

 

[drew]

Bloody hell, seems a lot are being harsh on Pervis. Yes he got caught a few times but that's because we were looking to get the ball forward quicker on the left side. Think he worked really well with Mitoma.

 

[Oh_aye]

Sanchez 6
Gross 8 -- just keeps on going, so glad it was him the ball fell to. His fifth of the season.
Webster 6 -- a bit mixed today
Dunk 6 -- don't wave your arms above your head in the penalty area; beyond that, a couple of stunning balls to Mitoma
Estupinan 6 -- a bit clumsy today
Ali Mac 6 -- decent free kicks, but was a little anonymous today despite us dominating possession
Caicedo 6 -- also clumsy today
March 7 -- stretched them out wide, one great interception, impressive dynamo
Lallana 9 -- best performance for the club. Expertly finished one goal, and sublime play to assist another. Made things happen
Mitoma 9.5 MotM -- tries things, last week (for me) too much didn't pay off, today most things did. A delightful pre-assist threaded through a tight space with the outside of his foot; an excellent header to score his first goal (never thought I'd say that); stunning first touch to draw the foul for the red; brilliant close control, acceleration and pull back for the winner. And, apart from that, caused havoc
Trossard 7 -- lovely lay off for the first, some inventive stuff, kept their defenders occupied

Welbeck 5 -- thought he was poor, gave away too many silly free kicks, and didn't capitalise on a few opportunities
Gilmour 6
Undav 7 -- an assist, a lovely turn and shot. Positive cameo
Veltman n/a

Lovely game of football, with the right outcome

Harsh on Dunk and Caic and Mac. It's easy to remember their mistakes but they are the spine of rhe team, take the most risks and responsibility. If we win I don't see how they get 6 and Tross 7 who was peripheral.

 

[Swansman]

I generally agree . . . But . . .


Sanchez 5.7359 - really needs some penalty coaching. My dog is better At spot kicks. (I'm not joking either) he made a few saves, but conceded 2 against relegation fodder.

There is a really good book on penalty saving written by some Dutch expert on the subject.

Before some tournament (2004, 2006 or 2008) Edwin van der Sar was visiting a talkshow who was also guested by the guy who had just released his book.

"Have you read it?" the author asked.
"No..." said van der Sar.
"Then you are not professional. To the penalty taker, it is all about psychology. For you it isn't skill or luck, it is science. If you refuse to educate yourself on this, you are not professional".

Van der Sar read the book and turned into one of the best penalty stoppers in the world for the few years left of his career, and multiple Dutch keepers (such as Tim Krul) are also experts in that regard. Ever since I heard of this book I've been wondering if it was ever translated into other languages.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Sanchez - 7

Gross - 7
Webster - 6
Dunk - 6
Estupinan - 7

Mac Allister - 6
Caicedo - 8

March - 7
Lallana - 8
Mitoma - 9 - MOM

Trossard - 7

Welbeck - 6
Undav - 6
Gilmour - 6
Veltman - n/a

 

[pb21]

Sanchez - 7

Gross - 7
Webster - 6
Dunk - 6
Estupinan - 7

Mac Allister - 6
Caicedo - 8

March - 7
Lallana - 8
Mitoma - 9 - MOM

Trossard - 7

Welbeck - 6
Undav - 6
Gilmour - 6
Veltman - n/a

Only watched from a TV in Mozambique, but pretty much agree with this. Think Veltman did enough for a 6 though, made a nice run at one point.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Sanchez 5.7359 - really needs some penalty coaching.

Beyond telling the keeper which way the taker usually goes…what else can be coached?

 

[Sheebo]

Beyond telling the keeper which way the taker usually goes…what else can be coached?

Tough one. I’d like him to commit and guess full stretch one side and outstretched making himself as big as possible. Admittedly the pen today was pretty much unsaveable but I do sometimes feel he should do more on pens I must admit. Bit over critical also though.

 

[basque seagull]

Got a yellow for that didn't he

Nope, I think he was already on a yellow though, wasn't he?

Edit: seems we got no cards, must have imagined that....

 

[maltaseagull]

Sanchez 7 A couple of good saves and no massive mistakes. We need a goalkeeping coach to work on his penalties as VAR seems determined to give them.
Gross 7 - Mr Reliable and a goal machine now
Webster 6 - I thought he gave the ball away too much
Dunk 7 - Unfortunate with the penalty but a normal great performance. Will he go to Qatar to be in the squad?
Estupinan 7 - Great going forwards still not 100% comfy with his defending.
Ali Mac 7- This guy is a machine and a real engine room for the team
Caicedo 7- What a great replacement for Bissouma. Really good.
March 8 - A constant threat down the wing and defends well too. If only he could score!
Lallana 9 - Brilliant game and a goal!
Mitoma 9 -What a find! brilliant performance and a goal!
Trossard 7 - Flashes of brilliance but not up to his normal standards seemed to vanish at times.

Welbeck 5- Not sure why he was brought on.
Gilmour 6 -Is he being groomed to replace Caicedo when he is sold on? Looks a good player.
Undav 6 - I think he will develop into a useful striker in certain formations.

Support was great too!

 

[Blue3]

enjoyable game important win puts us on track for a good position leading up to the WC

Sanchez 8 made a number of important saves
Gross 8 Another goal and so adaptable can play in so many positions during a game
Webster 7 should have got that header on target but played ok
Dunk 7 see comments above re header, unlucky with the penalty
Estupinan 7 played better in my opinion than others on here are saying
Ali Mac 8 part one of the engine room
Caicedo 8 part two of this very successful midfield
March 8 played well again yet again without a goal I really think he hits them far to well needs one to go in off his shin
Lallana 9 - really played well today possibly his best in a Brighton shirt to date
Mitoma 9 - really has grabbed the opportunity DZB has given him
Trossard 6 - one of those games where for most of it was missing apart from making a great goal

Welbeck 5
Gilmour 6
Undav 5
Veltman n/a

 

[zefarelly]

Beyond telling the keeper which way the taker usually goes…what else can be coached?

Not dad dancing for a start, as Swansman has mentioned from the book . . .there's a lot of psychology going on.

To my mind standing still, on your toes, ready to react is important. I've seen 2 penalties we've conceded recently where the taker (Kane being one) has hit it the opposite way to Bob and he's been on the wrong foot.

regardless of physical condition and ability, if your body weight and footing is wrong you have no chance of saving and the taker has a far higher chance of scoring.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Not dad dancing for a start, as Swansman has mentioned from the book . . .there's a lot of psychology going on.

To my mind standing still, on your toes, ready to react is important. I've seen 2 penalties we've conceded recently where the taker (Kane being one) has hit it the opposite way to Bob and he's been on the wrong foot.

regardless of physical condition and ability, if your body weight and footing is wrong you have no chance of saving and the taker has a far higher chance of scoring.

My view is that everything is so heavily stacked in favour of the taker it’s mostly pot luck if a ‘keeper saves a penalty, more so in the EPL. The ‘keeper’s only chance is to guess the correct side , or down the middle, and then get lucky it’s at the right height and speed . I question if any keeper has the speed and agility to get down to one side if their weight and footing isn’t already going that way; maybe what you see is the aftermath of him pre-empting a shot the wrong side?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Just re-watched the Man City penalty. Sanchez, from both commentator and my view, decides to stay central and guesses wrong as Haaland buries it to Bob’s left. I doubt he’d have saved that even if he chose to go that side.

 

[Swansman]

Beyond telling the keeper which way the taker usually goes…what else can be coached?

You can usually see through body language, positioning, eye movement etc. where they're going to put it. The PK taker is always going to have the advantage, but you can hike that normal 12% save rate up to 20-25% if you really put effort into it.

The value is so low though, one or two saved pens per season, that I can't imagine many keepers putting much effort into it.

 

[Machiavelli]

Just re-watched the Man City penalty. Sanchez, from both commentator and my view, decides to stay central and guesses wrong as Haaland buries it to Bob’s left. I doubt he’d have saved that even if he chose to go that side.

I haven't re-watched it, but he guessed the right way (not sure he's managed that too many times) although didn't commit to it. Which might be another way of saying, even when he guesses right, he doesn't execute it appropriately.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I haven't re-watched it, but he guessed the right way (not sure he's managed that too many times) although didn't commit to it. Which might be another way of saying, even when he guesses right, he doesn't execute it appropriately.

I guess we will never know but I didn’t see it this way.