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[Albion] Player ratings vs West Ham







sparkie

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
13,267
Hove
Can you please explain “moot point”
I know I can probably look this up but I can’t say I’ve ever heard this word “moot” in my lifetime.
It means it is a point that can be debated but has been made irrelevant by other factors anyway.
 






Berty23

Well-known member
Jun 26, 2012
3,643
Bissouma was incredible yesterday. His stats are nuts. I am giving him a 9.

16/21 final third passes completed
�� 3/3 take-ons completed
�� 15 ball recoveries
�� 4 clearances
�� 59/70 passes completed
�� 3 successful tackles

He completely outclassed Rice.

Webster also very good.

Maupay was incredibly lazy, I thought. He did not just a gut to keep up with play and his passing to March in the second half was just complacent rubbish. I watched the Leeds match and contrast bamford’s work rate to Maupay. Chalk and cheese.

White should not play wing back again. We looked so threatening down the left but missing lamptey made us lopsided.

We can debate who was more at fault for the second equaliser but dunk and white were both at fault. If white had blocked the run people would say “excellent deflection on header from dunk” but he didn’t so both at fault. Sadly this smacks of our players not taking full responsibility for everything.

Re white - he should have done much better on the initial ball for the first goal too. Not his best game.
 




Wardy's twin

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2014
8,866
I have been a March critic over the last few seasons but this season he has turned into one of our best players, struggle to see why some others can’t see it. One of our most reliable performers and I don’t recall his last “stinker”

I am similar but thought his time had passed but he has been very good and very consistent. Yes he could do a few things better but probably one of best 3 players in the squad at the moment.

How could he improve - defensively some of his positional play is wrong but that comes with playing more games in the role. I would just love him to have a bit more self confidence and run at players and run into the box.
 


herecomesaregular

We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Oct 27, 2008
4,649
Still in Brighton
Bissouma was incredible yesterday. His stats are nuts. I am giving him a 9.

16/21 final third passes completed
�� 3/3 take-ons completed
�� 15 ball recoveries
�� 4 clearances
�� 59/70 passes completed
�� 3 successful tackles

He completely outclassed Rice.

Yet the only mention of Biss on MOTD was to highlight two occasions in quick succession where he failed to close down or challenge the opposition player?
 






origigull

Well-known member
Jun 29, 2009
1,250
I also blame this sodding zonal marking, it never has and never will work. Really at a loss to why it is deployed. I’ve only coached at basic level but I know you to have man markers and run blockers we have neither. The amount of goals we concede from set plays tells me the coaching is wrong.

Also great points made on motd the closing down out wide is criminally bad.

PHP:
With Wham's corner from which they scored we were all standing around the 6-yard line (or thereabouts) and some of their players were standing 10-12 yards out and as the ball was kicked they came running in. This gave them momentum while our players stood almost still. A recipe for disaster this zonal thing.
 


Jan 14, 2008
289
Windsor ontario
Thanks Sparkie.
He’s obviously just blaming Dunk then and White ( golden boy ) is blameless for the second goal. :annoyed:

I don’t disagree about white losing his man at all - all I’m saying AGAIN is if dunk makes the initial clearance (which he’s made a career out of ) whatever happened after that fact doesn’t matter as the balls been cleared ....it’s a basic concept .....

Actually think our problems have started with us going to 3-5-2 to justify having Ben white in the team . It means we have a load of possession and switch the play to use the width but it means we’re now so much slower in moving the ball and easy to defend against

More frustration that panic at this point but need to start winning a few games soon UTA
 


Questions

Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
25,504
Worthing
I worry when Trossard starts a game....... no seriously I really do.
 




Swansman

Pro-peace
May 13, 2019
22,320
Sweden
I have been a March critic over the last few seasons but this season he has turned into one of our best players, struggle to see why some others can’t see it. One of our most reliable performers and I don’t recall his last “stinker”

Because you are not running around in a hamster wheel, making you nearly unique around here. Things that happen in the real world reaches your brain.
 


amexer

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Aug 8, 2011
6,830
I don’t disagree about white losing his man at all - all I’m saying AGAIN is if dunk makes the initial clearance (which he’s made a career out of ) whatever happened after that fact doesn’t matter as the balls been cleared ....it’s a basic concept .....

Actually think our problems have started with us going to 3-5-2 to justify having Ben white in the team . It means we have a load of possession and switch the play to use the width but it means we’re now so much slower in moving the ball and easy to defend against

More frustration that panic at this point but need to start winning a few games soon UTA

3 at back was not Potters preferred set up last season so can only presume it is now so he can keep 3 CBs happy. Dont understand how White was played at fullback over Veltman who has often played there for Ajax and Holland
 


Seasidesage

New member
May 19, 2009
4,467
Brighton, United Kingdom
I also blame this sodding zonal marking, it never has and never will work. Really at a loss to why it is deployed. I’ve only coached at basic level but I know you to have man markers and run blockers we have neither. The amount of goals we concede from set plays tells me the coaching is wrong.

Also great points made on motd the closing down out wide is criminally bad.

Strange one this. My eyes agree with you on zonal marking but the game is analysed to death with every nuance measured, every run, every movement logged and checked over and over. Almost every team deploys zonal marking or at least a variant of it, that can't be a coincidence can it? It must be the better option but buggered if I can see why...
 




PILTDOWN MAN

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NSC Patron
Sep 15, 2004
19,594
Hurst Green
Strange one this. My eyes agree with you on zonal marking but the game is analysed to death with every nuance measured, every run, every movement logged and checked over and over. Almost every team deploys zonal marking or at least a variant of it, that can't be a coincidence can it? It must be the better option but buggered if I can see why...

You're right but the point I make is you have your normal markers but your zonal ones are the blockers defending their zones.
 






BN9 BHA

DOCKERS
NSC Patron
Jul 14, 2013
22,668
Newhaven
I don’t disagree about white losing his man at all - all I’m saying AGAIN is if dunk makes the initial clearance (which he’s made a career out of ) whatever happened after that fact doesn’t matter as the balls been cleared ....it’s a basic concept .....

Actually think our problems have started with us going to 3-5-2 to justify having Ben white in the team . It means we have a load of possession and switch the play to use the width but it means we’re now so much slower in moving the ball and easy to defend against

More frustration that panic at this point but need to start winning a few games soon UTA

Dunk also to blame as you say, but White lost his man.

I agreed with you about Dunk in my first comment to you ( above ) :thumbsup:
The point was more about you being somewhat confused about people also blaming White.

I’ve watched both goals back many times now, White also looked at fault for the first goal.
 




blue-shifted

Banned
Feb 20, 2004
7,645
a galaxy far far away
Agree on the goal. Had White put in even a half hearted block on Soucek he doesn't get to the ball. Dunk still failed miserably to deal with it but it took a combination of failings to allow them to score.

Between Burn for giving away a fairly needless corner, to White for not blocking the run (not that I think you should be able to block a run, it's not NFL), to Sanchez not coming and dealing, to Dunk for missing his header, to Potter for having us set up zonally, to our strikers, for not having put the game to bed in the first half .... I don't know where to put the colossal amount of blame which I want to heap on the team I support for not beating West Ham away
 


Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
73,888
West west west Sussex
I worry when Trossard starts a game....... no seriously I really do.

Gotta wonder if any of the team came out of that Utd game without PTSD.
 


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