[News] Plane gone down in the French Alps?

[Herr Tubthumper]

Whats your point ?

Is you head so far up your politically correct arse that you cannot even begin to consider a possible Islamist motive if the co-pilot was Muslim.

It's pretty obvious what his point is. And for what it's worth I think it's a valid point.

 

[sydney]

for feck sake....what kind of bell end commits suicide .....but takes 140+ people with him /her ...??.what a @#$%...!!

 

[BigGully]

It's pretty obvious what his point is. And for what it's worth I think it's a valid point.

Of course you do, you are as stupid as him.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Of course you do, you are as stupid as him.

I can understand his point, you can't, and I'm therefore stupid. Now that makes perfect sense doesn't it?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Is the possibility of one pilot being outside the cockpit, and the pilot inside being taken ill or incapacitated really not taking into account in regard to gaining access to the cockpit from the outside? Does the pilot outside have no kind of keypad entry or key to get back in? Seems an obvious possibility to consider really.

As I posted it depends on the aircraft and airline to which further mechanism/lock was installed other than the standard. Remember the aircraft was built well before 9/11 so would have been modified to make the door more secure. If a keypad was there it would be secondary to the handle which only turns the door lock from inside the cockpit. A key would needed inserted in the handle to make the mechanism work from the cabin. There is then the solenoid switch which is effectively a latch in the door frame into which the door lock is restrained. When released this gives free passage, so to speak, to the door latch where upon the solenoid resets. There is no override to this apart from the solenoid is not powered when there's no power on the aircraft. As I mentioned most aircraft also have a simple bolt slide lock in on the back of the door which would render all the other locks useless if put in the locked position which may have been the case here.

Part of the safety equipment on board includes an axe. Pre 9/11 these could be stored somewhere in the front galley, post 9/11 they would always be in the cockpit. The pilot attempting to get stood little chance as all the doors were also strengthened considerably post 9/11. As someone posted eradicating one problem could cause another!!

 

[Bozza]

On the issue of protecting from pilots taking control like this, I read most airlines require [bold]two pilots[/bold] at one time in the cockpit, so if one leaves they have to be replaced. Lufthansa however don't operate this policy. I think that will likely become compulsory now. Lufthansa are in deep financial shit. They could go bust as a result.

No quite correct. Airlines don't fly with a third pilot who pops into the cockpit if one of the two flight crew need to pop to the loo.

What happens is a member of cabin crew, who has no flying capability at all, goes into the cockpit whilst the member of flight crew is outside.

This is done so that if the member of flight crew in the cockpit has a medical emergency (such as a heart attack) then there is someone else with him/her.

 

[spring hall convert]

Whats your point ?

Is you head so far up your politically correct arse that you cannot even begin to consider a possible Islamist motive if the co-pilot was Muslim.

No, what I'm saying is that there is a double standard in the way that the press reports these matters. There could be a terrorist motive regardless of his religion or ethnicity but you can bet your bottom dollar if the co-pilot was a muslim the press would be frothing at the mouth crying terrorism. If it's the act of a lone white European it will be called mass murder.

 

[sydney]

It seems to happen quite a lot. I suppose when people are so low that they want to kill themselves, it often leads to misanthropy.

It will be interesting to see what his mental state was as it transpires.

whats wrong with o.d'ing or slitting yer wrists , jumping , drowning or driving at a wall....selfish ****...!!

 

[TomandJerry]

Germanwings co-pilot intended to destroy plane, says French prosecutor

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

With no pilots to swerve out of the way of military aircraft without transponders on...

And you believe a pilot could, closing speeds in excess of 1200mph, not a chance.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

No quite correct. Airlines don't fly with a third pilot who pops into the cockpit if one of the two flight crew need to pop to the loo.

What happens is a member of cabin crew, who has no flying capability at all, goes into the cockpit whilst the member of flight crew is outside.

This is done so that if the member of flight crew in the cockpit has a medical emergency (such as a heart attack) then there is someone else with him/her.

Never been done to my knowledge but I'm all ears.

 

[jimbob5]

We're told the co pilot was breathing normally while the main pilot was unable to get into the cockpit. We're told the passengers would not have been aware. For a start I suspect some of the passengers would be aware if the pilot was bashing the cockpit door. If the co pilot had deliberately crashed the plane would he have been breathing normally I doubt it. It does not add up.

 

[cardboard]

Never been done to my knowledge but I'm all ears.

It happens on Easyjet for example

 

[Kumquat]

Cheers Bozza. Yes, that certainly makes more sense although I believe Lufthansa don't operate that policy either, so on their flights the pilot/copilot would be alone.

 

[banjo]

I only hope that it was only last minute that the passengers knew what was going on, small crumb of comfort for families. RIP.

 

[Dave the OAP]

...anyone remember that plane crash in Japan a few years ago, where the planes hydraulics failed and the crew couldn't steer at all. The poor sods on the plane knew that in about an hour they would crash and there was found on the bodies letters they had written to their families knowing they were about to die! It flew into a mountain.

I just hope that the passengers knew nothing about this

 

[BigGully]

No, what I'm saying is that there is a double standard in the way that the press reports these matters. There could be a terrorist motive regardless of his religion or ethnicity but you can bet your bottom dollar if the co-pilot was a muslim the press would be frothing at the mouth crying terrorism. If it's the act of a lone white European it will be called mass murder.

But you must concede that it would be a reasonable assumption if that co-pilot was a Muslim, it would not of course be definitive but a line of investigation would be entirely appropriate.

It's a flawed comparison to then site a white European doing something similar would not then command similar scrutiny because there isnt a link between white Europeans being exclusively mad, you could quite easily have a madman of any ethnicity, religion or gender, that is far more random and nearly unquantifiable, its totally irrelevant.

Whereas recent history has shown that airlines up until recently have quite spectacularly been targeted by Islamists, the profile of the co-pilot would then reasonably be examined on lines of religion as well as other things.

It doesnt make those investigations racist or prejudiced in anyway, its a wholly appropriate way to investigate this tragedy.

 

[Megazone]

Odd. You're not usually this sensitive. I bet you're itching to tell us what "really" happened.

Suicide.

Still finding this funny?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

But you must concede that it would be a reasonable assumption if that co-pilot was a Muslim

Of course it wouldn't. FFS.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

Tremendous level of information being given out by the French prosecutor. Over here all we would get is 'let's wait for the full investigation is complete' bla bla bla..come back in 2 years