[News] Pizza Express customer punches a vegan

[Herr Tubthumper]

Not at all, just adapted with the times, sexism means sexism, as PPF might say.

You’re seriously apologising for a bloke hitting a woman on the grounds of equality? Jesus wept.

 

[Bold Seagull]

You’re seriously apologising for a bloke hitting a woman on the grounds of equality? Jesus wept.

Unbelievably the arguments for equality in pay, opportunity and in life in general comes with the cost of being able to be punched in the face by men now. At least they'll have a bit more salary to pay for the frozen peas. Every cloud.

 

[The Clamp]

I have just had another look at the baldy man. Ewwww, the anger in that man's contorted face. Can you imagine how rudderless a man like that feels in 2019? unresolvable confusion combined with crippling self doubt. A man so poorly equipped to deal with the changing times that the only reaction in his repertoire is to punch someone in the face.

I don't agree with you..WALLOP! No, I can't understand your point...SMASH! Don't eat what?.....BOFF! I suppose it makes life simple, albeit miserable.

 

[GT49er]

I've not said I condone the approach, I've said I understand what is going on.

And, to be honest, the meat industry is bad for all of us, not in terms of animal welfare but in terms of how it contributes to global emissions. If we are going to address the real challenges we face then we have to stop eating meat in the quantities we do.

[Partially true. The issue is largely about how meat is produced. Intensive systems with animals fed on feeds grown on land following destruction of rain forest, for example, is clearly disastrous. As is the production of palm oil (not associated with meat consumption obviously) which has created a disastrous monoculture where vast areas of the planet were under forest.

Where meat is produced in extensive systems (ie grazing) then the story is different because there is a closed loop between emissions and the role of grassland in acting as a carbon sink. Indeed the much quoted UN report states that in such cases livestock farming will be 'part of the solution'.

Adding in the need for a greater focus on animal welfare and the result will be less meat produced but in a planet and welfare friendly manner. This will inevitably make meat more expensive and people will therefore eat less.

This (or these). Punching people is wrong, but at the same time people have a responsibility for their own behaviour, and have to face the consequences if their conduct is offensive. If you stormed up to a complete stranger, got right in their face and made some disgusting slurs about their wife, mother, or daughter, would you seriously be shocked or outraged if you suddenly found you'd got a bloody nose?

 

[The Clamp]

This (or these). Punching people is wrong, but at the same time people have a responsibility for their own behaviour, and have to face the consequences if their conduct is offensive. If you stormed up to a complete stranger, got right in their face and made some disgusting slurs about their wife, mother, or daughter, would you seriously be shocked or outraged if you suddenly found you'd got a bloody nose?

Did this young lady get up in his face? Did she make slurs about his family? He seems to be the only one in anyone's face, screaming and swearing and indeed, punching.

To qualify, I don't particularly like how these vegans protest but they don't deserve physical violence.

 

[rippleman]

What I'm hoping is that someone can explain why the owners / managers of the eateries who are suffering these invasions by a few loonies are not removing them from the premises. (after all it's not a dozen Hells Angels or football hooligans is it? They really arent very scary!)

You approach them and tell them that they are not wanted on the premises and that they are therefore committing an act of trespass. You then cal the OB and tell them that you have trespassers that you are going to remove and that the trespassers are likely to cause a breach of the peace. You are entitled to use reasonable force to remove trespassers on your property.

The diners can then return to enjoy their scoff in peace.

The owners could then sue the trespassers under civil legislation. However there is also a criminal offence of aggravated trespass defined by Netpol.org as:-

Unlike just common trespass, aggravated trespass is a criminal offence . To secure a conviction the police must first show that there was a ‘further act’ ,(DPP v Barnard) beyond mere trespassing. This ‘further act’ can be anything – playing music, putting up a banner, anything at all. Secondly, the police must show that this further act was intended to ‘deter, disrupt or obstruct’ the lawful business taking place.

Seems to me that's exactly what the owners / managers of the property should be aiming for.

If I was a dining in one of the eateries that was visited by the loony vegans I would expect the management to take all steps to get rid of them as quickly as possible and not just stand around and let it happen - or I wouldn't be paying.

Yes, it's the loony vegans that are creating the problem but I can't see that the business owners / managers are doing their bit to ensure the swift removal of the miscreants.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

This (or these). Punching people is wrong, but at the same time people have a responsibility for their own behaviour, and have to face the consequences if their conduct is offensive. If you stormed up to a complete stranger, got right in their face and made some disgusting slurs about their wife, mother, or daughter, would you seriously be shocked or outraged if you suddenly found you'd got a bloody nose?

Yes. I really would be pretty surprised if a large man smacked a girl who got in their face and shouted. I really would. I just expect a bit of restraint. There are certain boundaries in life which you simply don’t cross.

 

[Dr Bandler]

I've not said I condone the approach, I've said I understand what is going on.

And, to be honest, the meat industry is bad for all of us, not in terms of animal welfare but in terms of how it contributes to global emissions. If we are going to address the real challenges we face then we have to stop eating meat in the quantities we do/QUOTE]

Partially true. The issue is largely about how meat is produced. Intensive systems with animals fed on feeds grown on land following destruction of rain forest, for example, is clearly disastrous. As is the production of palm oil (not associated with meat consumption obviously) which has created a disastrous monoculture where vast areas of the planet were under forest.

Where meat is produced in extensive systems (ie grazing) then the story is different because there is a closed loop between emissions and the role of grassland in acting as a carbon sink. Indeed the much quoted UN report states that in such cases livestock farming will be 'part of the solution'.

Adding in the need for a greater focus on animal welfare and the result will be less meat produced but in a planet and welfare friendly manner. This will inevitably make meat more expensive and people will therefore eat less.

Good post - thank goodness someone has explained that meat production per se is not bad - just intensively farmed, grain fed meat. It is not only bad for the planet but for our health. Naturally grazed, grass fed meat is actually good for our health and the environment. As usual the subtleties of the argument get lost in generalised statements such as "meat production is bad", which of course suits the vegans.

Incidentally, it is now clear that red meat does not cause cancer, but how long will it take for that to permeate the general consciousness. It seems like, either intentionally or unintentionally, we have been fed a lot of untruths over the years.

 

[Dr Bandler]

I have just had another look at the baldy man. Ewwww, the anger in that man's contorted face. Can you imagine how rudderless a man like that feels in 2019? unresolvable confusion combined with crippling self doubt. A man so poorly equipped to deal with the changing times that the only reaction in his repertoire is to punch someone in the face.

I don't agree with you..WALLOP! No, I can't understand your point...SMASH! Don't eat what?.....BOFF! I suppose it makes life simple, albeit miserable.

You are correct. I have also looked at the protestors closely as well; I believe there are a few mental health issues lurking in there. Their obsession with veganism is probably one manifestation of that.

Sometimes it is hard to love humanity, eh?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Naturally grazed, grass fed meat is actually good for our health and the environment.

At sustainable levels maybe, at growing production levels it is not. Demand needs to decrease with a global population on the increase.

We don't necessarily have to go vegetarian or vegan, but less meat in our diets overall is an environmental necessity.

 

[The Clamp]

Yes. I really would be pretty surprised if a large man smacked a girl who got in their face and shouted. I really would. I just expect a bit of restraint. There are certain boundaries in life which you simply don’t cross.

This.

Some strange woman-hating rhetoric on this thread. If their daughters came home with a bloodied nose from a big bald man I very much doubt they would go “oh well, you can’t be that surprised”.

 

[Chicken Run]

You are correct. I have also looked at the protestors closely as well; I believe there are a few mental health issues lurking in there. Their obsession with veganism is probably one manifestation of that.

Sometimes it is hard to love humanity, eh?

I too have analysed all the parties involved and believe all to be suffering various degrees of self doubt, perhaps a smattering of anxiety, anger issues and perhaps other underlying mental health issues , we shouldn’t judge people.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Do unto others .............
I don’t go round punching people and I don’t expect people to punch me.
I don’t go round shouting my views at people and I don’t expect people to do that to me.
If people want to have an opinion or protest then they can without interfering with people’s lives. Do it in a park or on the street or on NSC where people can either listen to them or step aside. Doing this in a restaurant is rude, intrusive and doesn’t give people the opportunity to escape.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Argus Comments Nutters having a field day on this one

 

[schmunk]

This.

Some strange woman-hating rhetoric on this thread. If their daughters came home with a bloodied nose from a big bald man I very much doubt they would go “oh well, you can’t be that surprised”.

It's not "woman-hating" to suggest that women should be treated equally to men and not wrapped up like little sugar plum fairies.

That big people shouldn't hit little people (or even hit big people) is a separate argument and shouldn't be aggregated.

 

[The Clamp]

It's not "woman-hating" to suggest that women should be treated equally to men and not wrapped up like little sugar plum fairies.

That big people shouldn't hit little people (or even hit big people) is a separate argument and shouldn't be aggregated.

To suggest that it is okay to hit women “if they want to be treated equally” is woman hating . Very silly argument indeed. She wasn’t attacking anyone so why hit her?
I believe you should strike or restrain anyone if they are coming after you and walking away isn’t an option. He should have exercised restraint. Equality indeed! Give me strength.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It's not "woman-hating" to suggest that women should be treated equally to men and not wrapped up like little sugar plum fairies.

That big people shouldn't hit little people (or even hit big people) is a separate argument and shouldn't be aggregated.

Equality isn't to say we are all the same, just that we are treated with the same respect and opportunity without discrimination. To extend that to somehow believe that equality means we are all the same and you might also punch a women because they are equal to men, that is some misogynistic thinking right there.

On the same token, I often kiss (and get kissed) by female friends as a greeting, but funnily enough, not by any (well maybe a couple of them...) of my male friends - not because I don't treat them equally, but because we accept our differences.

You've got some screwed up thinking if you're going around thinking it's okay to punch a women because they're equal.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Maybe I am wrong but the face is very familiar.

 

[wellquickwoody]

You’re seriously apologising for a bloke hitting a woman on the grounds of equality? Jesus wept.

I don’t apologise for anybody doing anything.

What I object to is sanctimonious tosspots like yourself being oh so fuxxing holier than thou when applying the latest super trendy PC morals to those who you believe to be below you. Sexual equality means sexual equality for all, not just those who you think are deserving of it. Violence is violence, right or wrong it is still violence. Or is that only the case when you and your snivelling left wing apologists say so? Is it OK to use violence when it suits the cause you believe in, but not in other instances?

I understand perfectly that one mans freedom fighter is someone else’s terrorist, and also that my beliefs may be different from others. But when those like yourself choose to pontificate from upon high, but at the same time refuse to acknowledge that the opinions of others are at least worthy of consideration, then do not be surprised when you confronted.

You are a fraud sir (maybe I should have spelt that beginning with a ‘c’) as you wish to appear both righteous and educated. In reality you follow the whims of what is fashionable in your eyes, what is deemed to be popular in the chattering classes. You demean those that do not agree, and chastise those who object to your attempts to appear somewhat superior.

You actually are a great reflection of modern MPs who insist that they know best, rather than acknowledge their duty to serve the electorate. People like you caused Brexit, from your ivory towers and self proclaimed superiority complexes. Sadly you, and those like you, are unable to acknowledge the responsibility you should carry as you refuse to accept that others are entitled to think differently to your own self serving mantra. UK plc could well be fuxxed BECAUSE of you and people like you.

From a confirmed remainer.

 

[The Clamp]

I don’t apologise for anybody doing anything.

What I object to is sanctimonious tosspots like yourself being oh so fuxxing holier than thou when applying the latest super trendy PC morals to those who you believe to be below you. Sexual equality means sexual equality for all, not just those who you think are deserving of it. Violence is violence, right or wrong it is still violence. Or is that only the case when you and your snivelling left wing apologists say so? Is it OK to use violence when it suits the cause you believe in, but not in other instances?

I understand perfectly that one mans freedom fighter is someone else’s terrorist, and also that my beliefs may be different from others. But when those like yourself choose to pontificate from upon high, but at the same time refuse to acknowledge that the opinions of others are at least worthy of consideration, then do not be surprised when you confronted.

You are a fraud sir (maybe I should have spelt that beginning with a ‘c’) as you wish to appear both righteous and educated. In reality you follow the whims of what is fashionable in your eyes, what is deemed to be popular in the chattering classes. You demean those that do not agree, and chastise those who object to your attempts to appear somewhat superior.

You actually are a great reflection of modern MPs who insist that they know best, rather than acknowledge their duty to serve the electorate. People like you caused Brexit, from your ivory towers and self proclaimed superiority complexes. Sadly you, and those like you, are unable to acknowledge the responsibility you should carry as you refuse to accept that others are entitled to think differently to your own self serving mantra. UK plc could well be fuxxed BECAUSE of you and people like you.

From a confirmed remainer.

Not hitting women is the “latest , super trendy PC moral”?

You mad cvnt.