[Albion] Pitchside Brighton v Wolves

[Uh_huh_him]

Love these.

Solly's tackle at 4:03 is worth rewatching

 

[Bozza]

FFS!

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Watching the game with @Papa Lazarou. I was sure the ball had hit Dunk's arm, based solely on the response of the Wolves' players. However, from the various VAR replays, I'm not sure that could be determined. I certainly didn't think there was any obvious deviation in the flight of the ball that was apparent. I thought there was a chance we'd get away with it.

The reason I'm posting this now, having just watched the pitchside video in the opening post, is it doesn't look as though any of the fans amassed behind the goal appealed for the handball, meaning none of them can have seen it either, which is quite unusual given how close they were to the incident.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Watching the game with @Papa Lazarou. I was sure the ball had hit Dunk's arm, based solely on the response of the Wolves' players. However, from the various VAR replays, I'm not sure that could be determined. I certainly didn't think there was any obvious deviation in the flight of the ball that was apparent. I thought there was a chance we'd get away with it.

The reason I'm posting this now, having just watched the pitchside video in the opening post, is it doesn't look as though any of the fans amassed behind the goal appealed for the handball, meaning none of them can have seen it either, which is quite unusual given how close they were to the incident.

It's an odd one. All the stills I have seen are impossible to tell as it depends on the angle, timing of the picture.
The flight of the ball looks like it might have taken a deflection, just because it loops up so high, but there is no obvious deviation left/right.

I haven't seen a single angle that looks definitive.
You really need the ability to roll the sequence back and forward to identify if the ball hits his elbow or not.
Do the refs get to see this?

 

[raymondo]

A pitch side heat map... brilliant

 

[brightn'ove]

BRIGHTON ROCK WOLVES - MATCH DAY HIGHLIGHTS

Wolves Fan Match Vlog as Wolverhampton Wanderers get done again by Brighton & Hove Albion with a late 3-2 defeat

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Enjoy

Wow, not a single person in the crowd called for that handball.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Watching the game with @Papa Lazarou. I was sure the ball had hit Dunk's arm, based solely on the response of the Wolves' players. However, from the various VAR replays, I'm not sure that could be determined. I certainly didn't think there was any obvious deviation in the flight of the ball that was apparent. I thought there was a chance we'd get away with it.

The reason I'm posting this now, having just watched the pitchside video in the opening post, is it doesn't look as though any of the fans amassed behind the goal appealed for the handball, meaning none of them can have seen it either, which is quite unusual given how close they were to the incident.

I guess the match officials would argue that no deviation doesn't equate to no contact. It would have been the most minimal amount of contact, which would have been extremely harsh, but adheres to 'the letter of the law'. However, the fact that the use of VAR is to clear up 'clear and obvious' errors is a joke, in this – and many other – example.

There's a Wolves defender who is calling for it in the pitchside footage, but he is well away from the action, so that surely must have been a speculative one. Like you say, no fans called for it at all. Also interesting that in the Wolves fan video, he moans about the ref not being fair during the game and getting decisions wrong. However, I'm guessing he's not talking about this one...

 

[scooter1]

The handball in real time is disgusting

Thats the best angle that i've seen it at(having watched the game and MOTD), the change of angle is so minimal and is a really soft penalty to give. Another example of VAR missing the point of 'clear and obvious'.

 

[Bozza]

I guess the match officials would argue that no deviation doesn't equate to no contact.

Oh, absolutely.

My point, though, was that from all replays we saw watching it "live" including the ones that the on-field ref was sent to review, I don't know how it could be certain contact was made, as I wasn't. Deviation of the flight of the ball would have made me certain, but I didn't observe any.

 

[Bodian]

Watching the game with @Papa Lazarou. I was sure the ball had hit Dunk's arm, based solely on the response of the Wolves' players. However, from the various VAR replays, I'm not sure that could be determined. I certainly didn't think there was any obvious deviation in the flight of the ball that was apparent. I thought there was a chance we'd get away with it.

The reason I'm posting this now, having just watched the pitchside video in the opening post, is it doesn't look as though any of the fans amassed behind the goal appealed for the handball, meaning none of them can have seen it either, which is quite unusual given how close they were to the incident.

It's an odd one. All the stills I have seen are impossible to tell as it depends on the angle, timing of the picture.
The flight of the ball looks like it might have taken a deflection, just because it loops up so high, but there is no obvious deviation left/right.

I haven't seen a single angle that looks definitive.
You really need the ability to roll the sequence back and forward to identify if the ball hits his elbow or not.
Do the refs get to see this?

I guess the match officials would argue that no deviation doesn't equate to no contact. It would have been the most minimal amount of contact, which would have been extremely harsh, but adheres to 'the letter of the law'. However, the fact that the use of VAR is to clear up 'clear and obvious' errors is a joke, in this – and many other – example.

There's a Wolves defender who is calling for it in the pitchside footage, but he is well away from the action, so that surely must have been a speculative one. Like you say, no fans called for it at all. Also interesting that in the Wolves fan video, he moans about the ref not being fair during the game and getting decisions wrong. However, I'm guessing he's not talking about this one...

In the extended highlights https://www.brightonandhovealbion.c...3478/extended-pl-highlights-wolves-2-albion-3 at 3.28 it really does look as though you can see the flesh on Dunk's elbow flatten / wobble where it was hit by the ball - it would have no other reason to do that without being hit. Whether it altered the trajectory is more debatable.

 

[Oh_aye]

Anyone else wince when Gross and Lallana slide along on their knees? Too old for that, lads.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Anyone else wince when Gross and Lallana slide along on their knees? Too old for that, lads.

Groß executes his magnificently.
Clearly spent hours on the training pitch perfecting it.
Lallana, not so much.

 

[raymondo]

Anyone else wince when Gross and Lallana slide along on their knees? Too old for that, lads.

I wince because I can't do that anymore