I think that is a real worry, yes.
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Pietersen Resigns as England Captain
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Billy the Fish
Technocrat
This is just a big f***ing mess now. I'd say both KP and Moore's positions are untenable, KP could probably see this and jumped before he was pushed. Hopefully Moores will do the same and the ECB get in someone who can take the team forwards. Lets just hope that KP doesn't piss off to the IPL, as he still hasn't signed his contract with the ECB yet.
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
I think that's gotta be it for KPs England career. As others have said, I'm sure the IPL will welcome him, and he could either go back to playing for Hampshire or get signed up by an overseas region to play domestic cricket.
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
We might see him turn his back on England completely, play IPL and try and qualify to play for South Africa. Pantshire would not be happy though
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Once again - I will say that I think Rob Key is in the frame for the job.
Peppermint Tea
Well-known member
- Aug 31, 2007
- 1,256
I agree PL - bring in the Tubster and discard Bellend.
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
Thinking about it, it's highly unlikely that he'll turn his back on international cricket. He already get's a pretty big wage from sponsorship and the ECB (enough to afford a £7 million house in london) so the money might not be a big an issue as people think.
I think he'd rather have his name in the record books as a great test batsman who scored XXXX runs. Time will tell.
I think he'd rather have his name in the record books as a great test batsman who scored XXXX runs. Time will tell.
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
He would fix our batting order issues, and provide a very experienced captain, PLUS it gives everyone the belief that you don't need to be fully fit to play international sport!
I'm sure his average will be raised, but he's a better, more experienced batsman now, and has developed into a very effective 1 day player.
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Jon Agnew on Radio 5 now saying that he's spoken to the ECB, and they say that no resignations have been tendered or accepted.... so the plot thickens.
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
But Fat Bob Key isn't guaranteed to fix our top order problems, what if he comes back in and fails like the rest of them.
Granted he's a much better captain than any other player in the current team but can you really bring someone in from the outside like that?
Granted he's a much better captain than any other player in the current team but can you really bring someone in from the outside like that?
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
Could this just be a massive wind up. In a minute Moores and KP are going to walk into a press conference and say "only joking lads".
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
You can , but it would be a risk... but it would allow us to 'rest' Bell... after all, Key can't perform any worse that Bell, and he will be a good captain.
It would allow us to play a top order something like:
1. Strauss
2. Key
3. Cook
4. KP Nuts
5. Collingwood
6. Prior
7. Flintoff
8. Broad
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Radio 5 have not confirmed that both have 'left their posts', but there is no news as to whether it's by resignation or sacking.
withdeanwombat
Well-known member
KP is a South African.
The end.
The end.
Along with a great many "England" players over the years. And your point is....?
Storer68
New member
Moores gone according to Cricinfo
England in crisis
Pietersen and Moores resign
Kevin Pietersen and Peter Moores have resigned as England's captain and coach respectively, leaving the ECB in complete turmoil following the emergency board meeting that took place on Tuesday evening to discuss the rift in the leadership of the team.
The 12-man board met by teleconference on Tuesday night, raising the possibility that Pietersen, who had not been due back from his holiday in Africa until Thursday, would pay the price for his outspoken views on the future direction of the England team.
Now, however, it appears that Pietersen has taken his future into his own hands, and handed back the role he took on from Michael Vaughan barely five months ago. According to Sky News, Pietersen has given as his reasoning the fact that the ECB did not act quickly enough in responding to his demands over Moores' future. Speaking briefly on the phone, Pietersen told the programme: "I am not in a fit state to talk."
Andrew Strauss, who captained England in 2006 when Vaughan was out of the team with injury, is the hot favourite to lead them on the tour of West Indies, which begins in exactly a fortnight's time.
Meanwhile, Moores' departure comes as less of a surprise. His position became untenable following the revelations of the rift, and there had been little evidence of progress under his tenure and his credibility had been damaged beyond repair.
Cricinfo understands that Andy Flower, Moores' assistant coach, will be offered the interim role for the West Indies tour, although it remains highly debatable whether he will accept the role in the current circumstances.
Speaking to the News of the World earlier in the week, Pietersen said: "This situation is not healthy, we have to make sure it is settled as soon as possible and certainly before we fly off to the West Indies. Everybody has to have the same aims and pull in the same direction for the good of the England team."
Research conducted by the ECB's director of England cricket, Hugh Morris, however, suggested that Pietersen did not have the steadfast support of his team-mates or the back-room staff. The majority of the England support staff are understood to be supportive of Moores while most of the players are underwhelmed by Pietersen's dramatic intervention, as Steve Harmison demonstrated with his ambivalent comments on Tuesday.
There was also some sympathy towards Moores who, it is understood, was given the authority to select the England captain when Paul Collingwood and Vaughan resigned, and there are those within the set-up who feel that Pietersen had betrayed the coach's trust.
Attitudes towards Pietersen appeared to have hardened at board level. While few are completely convinced by Moores, they did not like the manner in which the captain has attempted to dictate events. As one board member told Cricinfo: "People who want to keep their jobs don't issue ultimatums."
The news brings to an end a tumultuous five-month reign. When Pietersen took on the role in August 2008 following Vaughan's resignation, he immediately declared that he intended to do the job "his way". With a maiden Test triumph over South Africa, followed by a 4-0 victory in the ODIs, his way was the high way during a heady honeymoon period.
But all throughout his tenure, rumours of his dissatisfaction with Moores' methods were never far from the surface. Pietersen did not accept the job until he had had "clear the air" talks with Moores in the aftermath of Vaughan's resignation, and he later voiced his disapproval of Moores' dogmatic training methods that sapped the team's energy on their tour of New Zealand in March.
Although Kent's coach, Graham Ford, had been touted as Moores' probable successor, his candidature had been raised with a view to finding a man who could work alongside Pietersen. Ashley Giles is another option, although Warwickshire have warned they may not necessarily keep his job as the county's director of cricket open, should he be asked to fulfil a role as "stop-gap" coach in the Caribbean.
© Cricinfo
Cricinfo staff
January 7, 2009
Five tumultuous months
June 2008 Stands in for the absent Paul Collingwood for Lord's ODI against New Zealand
August 4, 2008 Has long discussion with Moores before being named as Michael Vaughan's successor following England's series defeat to South Africa. Recalls Steve Harmison and stamps his mark on the side
August 6, 2008 Moores denies rift with Pietersen. "He'll be his own man and that's going to be really important," Moores said.
August 7-11, 2008 Cracks a stroke-laden 100 on Test captaincy debut, leading England to a six-wicket win at The Oval. Begins to talk up England's Ashes chances.
November, 2008 England lose to Stanford Superstars in the Stanford 20/20 for 20. Admits that England were distracted by off-the-field "nonsense"
December, 2008 Leads the full England squad back to India following the Mumbai terrorist attacks that cast a doubt over the tour. India win the series 1-0 but Pietersen's leadership is highly praised, even though doubts persist about his tactics after India's record run-chase at Chennai
December 29, 2008 Michael Vaughan is not picked for England's tour of West Indies in February, a key factor in the dispute which leads to Pietersen's eventual resignation
January 1, 2009 Calls for emergency talks with the ECB over the role of Moores
January 4, 2009 "Obviously this situation is not healthy," Pietersen writes in his newspaper column. "We have to make sure it is settled as soon as possible and certainly before we fly off to the West Indies."
January 7, 2009 Pietersen resigns, just over five months into his tenure. Moores, his position now untenable, follows suit
England in crisis
Pietersen and Moores resign
Kevin Pietersen and Peter Moores have resigned as England's captain and coach respectively, leaving the ECB in complete turmoil following the emergency board meeting that took place on Tuesday evening to discuss the rift in the leadership of the team.
The 12-man board met by teleconference on Tuesday night, raising the possibility that Pietersen, who had not been due back from his holiday in Africa until Thursday, would pay the price for his outspoken views on the future direction of the England team.
Now, however, it appears that Pietersen has taken his future into his own hands, and handed back the role he took on from Michael Vaughan barely five months ago. According to Sky News, Pietersen has given as his reasoning the fact that the ECB did not act quickly enough in responding to his demands over Moores' future. Speaking briefly on the phone, Pietersen told the programme: "I am not in a fit state to talk."
Andrew Strauss, who captained England in 2006 when Vaughan was out of the team with injury, is the hot favourite to lead them on the tour of West Indies, which begins in exactly a fortnight's time.
Meanwhile, Moores' departure comes as less of a surprise. His position became untenable following the revelations of the rift, and there had been little evidence of progress under his tenure and his credibility had been damaged beyond repair.
Cricinfo understands that Andy Flower, Moores' assistant coach, will be offered the interim role for the West Indies tour, although it remains highly debatable whether he will accept the role in the current circumstances.
Speaking to the News of the World earlier in the week, Pietersen said: "This situation is not healthy, we have to make sure it is settled as soon as possible and certainly before we fly off to the West Indies. Everybody has to have the same aims and pull in the same direction for the good of the England team."
Research conducted by the ECB's director of England cricket, Hugh Morris, however, suggested that Pietersen did not have the steadfast support of his team-mates or the back-room staff. The majority of the England support staff are understood to be supportive of Moores while most of the players are underwhelmed by Pietersen's dramatic intervention, as Steve Harmison demonstrated with his ambivalent comments on Tuesday.
There was also some sympathy towards Moores who, it is understood, was given the authority to select the England captain when Paul Collingwood and Vaughan resigned, and there are those within the set-up who feel that Pietersen had betrayed the coach's trust.
Attitudes towards Pietersen appeared to have hardened at board level. While few are completely convinced by Moores, they did not like the manner in which the captain has attempted to dictate events. As one board member told Cricinfo: "People who want to keep their jobs don't issue ultimatums."
The news brings to an end a tumultuous five-month reign. When Pietersen took on the role in August 2008 following Vaughan's resignation, he immediately declared that he intended to do the job "his way". With a maiden Test triumph over South Africa, followed by a 4-0 victory in the ODIs, his way was the high way during a heady honeymoon period.
But all throughout his tenure, rumours of his dissatisfaction with Moores' methods were never far from the surface. Pietersen did not accept the job until he had had "clear the air" talks with Moores in the aftermath of Vaughan's resignation, and he later voiced his disapproval of Moores' dogmatic training methods that sapped the team's energy on their tour of New Zealand in March.
Although Kent's coach, Graham Ford, had been touted as Moores' probable successor, his candidature had been raised with a view to finding a man who could work alongside Pietersen. Ashley Giles is another option, although Warwickshire have warned they may not necessarily keep his job as the county's director of cricket open, should he be asked to fulfil a role as "stop-gap" coach in the Caribbean.
© Cricinfo
Cricinfo staff
January 7, 2009
Five tumultuous months
June 2008 Stands in for the absent Paul Collingwood for Lord's ODI against New Zealand
August 4, 2008 Has long discussion with Moores before being named as Michael Vaughan's successor following England's series defeat to South Africa. Recalls Steve Harmison and stamps his mark on the side
August 6, 2008 Moores denies rift with Pietersen. "He'll be his own man and that's going to be really important," Moores said.
August 7-11, 2008 Cracks a stroke-laden 100 on Test captaincy debut, leading England to a six-wicket win at The Oval. Begins to talk up England's Ashes chances.
November, 2008 England lose to Stanford Superstars in the Stanford 20/20 for 20. Admits that England were distracted by off-the-field "nonsense"
December, 2008 Leads the full England squad back to India following the Mumbai terrorist attacks that cast a doubt over the tour. India win the series 1-0 but Pietersen's leadership is highly praised, even though doubts persist about his tactics after India's record run-chase at Chennai
December 29, 2008 Michael Vaughan is not picked for England's tour of West Indies in February, a key factor in the dispute which leads to Pietersen's eventual resignation
January 1, 2009 Calls for emergency talks with the ECB over the role of Moores
January 4, 2009 "Obviously this situation is not healthy," Pietersen writes in his newspaper column. "We have to make sure it is settled as soon as possible and certainly before we fly off to the West Indies."
January 7, 2009 Pietersen resigns, just over five months into his tenure. Moores, his position now untenable, follows suit
Storer68
New member
But I think you'll find he is the first born and bred South African who has been captain of England based merely on residential qualification rather than finding a Scottish great grandmother somewhere,
Storer68
New member
But I think you'll find he is the first born and bred South African who has been a permanent captain of England based merely on residential qualification rather than finding a Scottish great grandmother somewhere,
Even Allan lamb only captained as a stand in.