Dan Aitch
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Irish_Seagull
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Lord Bracknell
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Just to add, if Park Cameras run more of these days and you attend, you will not be able to sell the photographs - or even put them on your site.
Dataco, which represents professional clubs in England, have very, very tight rules around the usage of football images.
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You actually need to be licensed to take photo's at the games.
So what you say is right in part, up until kick off and after the final whistle any pictures can be taken and used anywhere, it is amazing though how many people sit at the Amex and at away games with DSLR cameras and click away even through a game without anybody saying anything to them.
I think a lot of it is to prevent photos getting out onto the public domain before any tv rights/transmissions.
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He has a unique way of capturing an image through a fish eye lense (unless its manipulated in a software package) not really my cup of tea to be honest but its definately different and unique.
Its also quiet slow to load, but again that may be due to my current location.
Lord Bracknell
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Indeed. If you want to get a licence to photograph Football League matches, you have to demonstrate to Dataco that you meet this condition:-
You must have had 15 football match action photographs published in regional newspapers (or equivalent) within the last 12 months (with copies of the corresponding payment invoices if you are an agency or freelance photographer).
In other words ... first find a newspaper that will pay you for your photographs and then put in the hours photographing non-league games for money.
And don't forget the need to have £2 million worth of public liability insurance.
Lord Bracknell
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It's all about the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit
Hope that helps
Birdie Boy
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I took my dslr with a 300mm lens to the amex and security checked it and let me in but said fa/fl/pl whomever rules state max lens size is 300mm. They never mentioned not talking shots during the game.
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The rules governing photography at Football League or Premier League grounds are thus:
No person (other than a person who holds an appropriate licence) may bring into (or use within) the Ground any equipment which is capable of recording or transmitting (by digital or other means) any audio, visual or audio-visual material or any data or information in relation to the Match or any aspect of it.
However, Mobile telephones are permitted within the Ground, provided that they are used for personal and private use only PROVIDED THAT no audio, visual or audio-visual mateiral captured by a mobile telephone may be published or otherwise made available to any third parties including, without limitation, via social networking sites.
Source: The FA Ground Regulations applicable to ALL Football League and Premier League stadia, or stadia where Football League or Premier League teams play.
In reality, many clubs will turn a blind eye towards photography using small P&S style cameras. However, this is in contravention of the rules set out by the Football League and Premier League (and it's authorised body the Football DataCo).
Should the Football DataCo wish to enforce more rigourously the rules surrounding photography at Football League/Premier League stadia, then this WILL be enforced and the following is the sanction:
The Club, any police officer or authorised steward may refuse entry to (or eject from) the Ground any person that fails (or in the Club's reasonable opinion is likely to fail) to comply with these Ground Regulations or any reasonable instruction issued by a police officer or authorised steward.
Refused entry to (or ejection from) the Ground may lead to further action by the club, including, but not limited to, the withdrawl of any season ticket (without reimbursement), Club Membership and other benefits.
Source: The FA Ground Regulations applicable to ALL Football League and Premier League stadia, or stadia where Football League or Premier League teams play.
Football League and Premier League teams which these rules apply to are;
1st Team
Reserve Teams
Youth Teams
and the rules apply at whichever stadium or ground those teams play at.
These rules apply to the warm-ups, match itself or even being in the stadium under the terms of those Ground Regulations (which generally speaking would be any time on a match-day). Tours of the ground would (I imagine) be exempt from these rules. However, it is wise to check with the Club first in all situations where you think it might not be applicable.
The other issue is that many Clubs themselves are not 100% sure of the rules. If you emailed all 92 Football League clubs you would probably get 92 different answers about whether photography is allowed.
The bottom line is that these ground regulations specifically forbid photography by ticket-holders (and licence-holders UNLESS you are attending the fixture under the terms of your licence - no sneaky snaps from the stands!) regardless of what their information or customer service people may say.
It is simply not worth the risk or potential sanction to yourself from attempting to illicitly photograph games at Football League or Premier League stadia.
These rules have been put in place and whether or not you personally agree with them, if you enter a Football League/Premier League ground you agree to abide by them.
The only way to photograph Football League/Premier League football is to follow the advice below:
The easy way to photograph football league is to become a club photographer or work for an agency. I know that isn't easy but it is easier than getting an independant licence, Read on.
As a club photographer you photograph under the club licence and as such the photographs belong to the club. You can not use these pictures as your own. You can only photograph matches that involve your team.
You can join an agency. You will photograph a wider range of games but the same rule applies. The pictures will belong to the licence holder ie the agency and can not be used as your own.
To apply for your own DataCo Premiership/League licence you must have the appropriate public liability cover. Then in the 12 months prior to applying you must have had 15 (30 for premiership) football action photographs published in either regional or national printed media (Not web publications). These must have been paid for at the going rate as Free or cheap will not be accepted. You will need to show news cuttings of the 15 pictures accredited to you along with invoices and
Lady Bracknell
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I admire your efforts and enthusiasm.
Other people have picked up on the need for proof-reading (check those apostrophes!) and this isn't because they are ar5eholes but because attention to detail is an inherent part of working as a professional photographer. If your website contains casual errors then prospective clients will assume your photography is equally slapdash.
I'd also comment on the "free quotation" thing. Nobody actually charges a client to quote for work so the use of the word "free" is meaningless. Photographers have a list of prices or they just invite clients to contact them.
So far as the "About" section of your website is concerned, you need to tell clients what you are offering them and what basis this is on. In other words, why should they want to employ you? All photographers are passionate about pictures. It's a given and doesn't need repeating. But what have you done? Where has your work featured? What training have you had? Who has influenced your work? This sort of factual information is what prospective clients want to see. They really don't want to hear about "emotional turmoil" because they want a level-headed professional!
So far as the website itself, your cover picture is marred by the text. None of which lead to a link so I'd let the picture tell the uninterrupted story. Also, your links are very slow to load from within the site, especially on the various portfolio pages.
You are clearly very passionate about photography but this has to go hand in hand with technical ability. Some of the photographs fail to display this and reach the standards necessary for a promotional website because your site is, of course, your portfolio. All photographers take less successful pictures. Like all of us! But you can only be judged on what's on view. I'd also say that your lavish use of HDR makes the "landscape" section very difficult on the eyes! Heavy-handed HDR is not only passe but often comes across as trying to hide the technical failings in a photograph.
I'd also suggest that you decide what genre of photography you want to specialise in. Very few professional photographers will offer "across the board" services. Anyone claiming to do commercial, sports, portraits, landscapes and wedding photography would leave me wondering where their area of expertise actually was. By all means take pictures of everything because this is the best way of learning your trade. But do this as a means of determining where your real specialism is.
I say all this to be constructive. Not to knock you back. But be very aware that the world of professional photography is a tough one.
Other people have picked up on the need for proof-reading (check those apostrophes!) and this isn't because they are ar5eholes but because attention to detail is an inherent part of working as a professional photographer. If your website contains casual errors then prospective clients will assume your photography is equally slapdash.
I'd also comment on the "free quotation" thing. Nobody actually charges a client to quote for work so the use of the word "free" is meaningless. Photographers have a list of prices or they just invite clients to contact them.
So far as the "About" section of your website is concerned, you need to tell clients what you are offering them and what basis this is on. In other words, why should they want to employ you? All photographers are passionate about pictures. It's a given and doesn't need repeating. But what have you done? Where has your work featured? What training have you had? Who has influenced your work? This sort of factual information is what prospective clients want to see. They really don't want to hear about "emotional turmoil" because they want a level-headed professional!
So far as the website itself, your cover picture is marred by the text. None of which lead to a link so I'd let the picture tell the uninterrupted story. Also, your links are very slow to load from within the site, especially on the various portfolio pages.
You are clearly very passionate about photography but this has to go hand in hand with technical ability. Some of the photographs fail to display this and reach the standards necessary for a promotional website because your site is, of course, your portfolio. All photographers take less successful pictures. Like all of us! But you can only be judged on what's on view. I'd also say that your lavish use of HDR makes the "landscape" section very difficult on the eyes! Heavy-handed HDR is not only passe but often comes across as trying to hide the technical failings in a photograph.
I'd also suggest that you decide what genre of photography you want to specialise in. Very few professional photographers will offer "across the board" services. Anyone claiming to do commercial, sports, portraits, landscapes and wedding photography would leave me wondering where their area of expertise actually was. By all means take pictures of everything because this is the best way of learning your trade. But do this as a means of determining where your real specialism is.
I say all this to be constructive. Not to knock you back. But be very aware that the world of professional photography is a tough one.
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desprateseagull
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lets try again..
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desprateseagull
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happypig
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The site doesn't display properly for me in Chrome on Linux, the text top right blows out over the menu top left.
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I had a fiddle with the home page layout over the weekend.
I feel it looks much cleaner, what do you think?
Goldstone76
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Constructive criticism involves saying it like it is. Unfortunately I feel you have a way to go before you should offer yourself as a wedding photographer to start with.. the post processing is all over the place with some images over exposed and others with the white balance way off. there is no consistency. The website design is rather amateurish as well. Walk before you can run. Get experience by shooting as much as you can but first you need to be able to post process at the very least. There are a lot of tutorials available on Youtube as a start point for you. As for the website.. have a look at www.squarespace.com or www.photoshelter.com for some quality templates and excellent support. If you want more specific pointers please PM me..