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[Travel] PEOPLE FAKING DISABILITY/INJURY ON TRAIN RAMP



seagullwedgee

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Aug 9, 2005
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It's not a race card? OP did not have to mention that the steward was black in that context. There was no reason to mention the man's race
Indeed, and if we take that principle further, we can say there was also no need to mention that it was a man. Or that it was a steward. Or that it was big. Or that it was on the train ramp. All of those are superfluous here. Person could have just said “Thing walked down and thing did nothing about it”. That would be fine.
 




Moshe Gariani

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Mar 10, 2005
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I’ve no idea why you think allowing people to take the piss out of disability as well as annoying the law-abiding majority is suddenly not worth confronting. If we don’t call it out it will quickly get worse. I strongly disagree that "there’s nothing you can do about it,"
This is a good sidetrack...

I'm with @JamieR having slipped into my 50s finding myself increasingly and far too often to be made cross and frustrated by other people's misdeeds. 😀

The culprits can be known to me or complete strangers, and it happens in almost any situation. They usually are instantly labelled ****(s), my blood pressure soars and a whole day can be spoiled.

A deliberate decision to be less annoyed by what other people do can be a good plan. Admittedly, it means an occasional genuine good cause will slip through the net but that is a price worth paying, and someone else with more balanced radar can hopefully deal with it if really needed.
 




Colonel Mustard

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This is a good sidetrack...

I'm with @JamieR having slipped into my 50s finding myself increasingly and far too often to be made cross and frustrated by other people's misdeeds. 😀

The culprits can be known to me or complete strangers, and it happens in almost any situation. They usually are instantly labelled ****(s), my blood pressure soars and a whole day can be spoiled.

A deliberate decision to be less annoyed by what other people do can be a good plan. Admittedly, it means an occasional genuine good cause will slip through the net but that is a price worth paying, and someone else with more balanced radar can hopefully deal with it if really needed.
I agree that it’s good to destress your life by recognising the difference between things you can change and things you can’t. It’s why I rarely get embroiled in discussions about Brexit or climate change or a dozen other big issues. OTOH I’ve become more involved in small local issues and interest groups which I can actually have an impact on. Able-bodied people in the disabled lane definitely comes under the second heading. All it needs is firmer rules about eligibility and better supervision.

Giving up, and letting people take advantage of our collective meekness, is not the answer as it makes the problem worse. A stitch in time, and all that.
 


Weststander

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I called out a women in her 30s (obviously in a Chelsea tractor) for doing this; the immediate response wasn’t sorry, you’re right, I should be more considerate etc. instead it was to victimise herself, all the tick box words eg how misogynist I was being, do I have a problem with women (“no, just inconsiderate ****s…luv”) etc. Fortunately she was white, otherwise the race card would undoubtedly been played too. Unless you’ve a family member who is disabled, or are disabled yourself, you’ve no idea absolutely no idea how hard life is and these selfish lazy bastards make it even harder. It really gets my goat, as you can tell. I would summarily execute anyone doing this after a first offence. For more information about how to vote for me in at the forthcoming election, go to www…. :)

They literally steal the space from those deserving of it.
 






One Teddy Maybank

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Totally agree but ALL disabled blue badges are visible 👍
Yes, but if you think the only type of disability requires a blue badge then you need to shake yourself.

(I agree with your parking frustration, but my point remains).
 
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One Teddy Maybank

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Agree with value in raising awareness and generally encouraging people to be more considerate.

To appreciate this specific circumstance, however, you need to have actually been stood in that stationary queue and repeatedly had obvious twats, with no disability other than extreme stupidity, grinning and swearing their way down the lane reserved for people who actually need it...
Yes, and as per my post, I’m not trying to detract from the main point, and there is no doubt people are getting more selfish and actually more stupid as well.
 




Falmerfourtickets

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Dec 14, 2010
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FFS What is up with people pulling this trick just to get ahead in the train queue?

3 selfish pricks today with one actually limply holding on to a mates arm for a few seconds as if to feign some form of disability. However, when called out by a few irate fans standing patiently they simply laughed and just breezed by the steward who did nothing to question why they were taking the ' 'fast track lane'. I asked the steward why he didn't question the 3 obvious piss takers? His response was " well it's up to them" which was pretty lame and surprising since he was a solidly built black chap who looked like he could handle himself and would not shirk from a challenge.

Despite seeing this incident we then immediately have another bloke and his wife and a young child strolling down the fast lane ( Stuart Adams I'm looking at you! ). Fortunately, quite a few fans in the queue made their feelings known and he curtailed his queue jump.

We all know getting away on the trains is a ball ache and even more so after a defeat and it's tipping down. However, suck it up and don't disrespect your fellow fans and more specifically those fans with a genuine health issue.
So are you going to engage the Gareth Keenan process of sticking pins in their legs or shouting fire to see if they can run? Not all disabilities are physical you know
 


sussex_guy2k2

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The same reason people with kids feel they can jump queues rather than teach their children some patience.

Saying that, when you go abroad you quickly realise we’re quite singular in our patience with queueing - it doesn’t really happen abroad where it’s a free for all.
 


Chicken Run

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Yes, but if you think the only type of disability requires a blue badge then you need to shake yourself.

(I agree with your parking frustration, but my point remains).
I was talking in context of Westander’s issue with people parking in disabled without blue badges, quite how you managed to use this to insult and patronise me is a mystery!
 








ManOfSussex

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I witnessed all this yesterday. I left at the final whistle and as I made my way down toward platform 2, more and more people seemed to be crossing over to the disabled side. As I reached the final bit before getting on the platform, an Eastbourne train was there and a bloke and his daughter both wearing Liverpool shirts decided to cross over to the disabled side and an Albion supporter behind me got quite irate and called them out. They weren't the only ones who crossed over and none of the platform staff attempted to stop anyone. The guy behind carried on and then then remonstrated with the staff, one of whom threatened him that if he carried on he wouldn't be getting on a train at all and then pointed him out to a couple of British Transport Police officers. The Eastbourne train pulled off and I got on to the platform in time for the 1616 to Seaford which was cancelled.
 




HeaviestTed

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The problem with the “fast lane” is that it is self selecting rather than being managed - what should the club do? Ask for evidence of disability before entry?

Probably just get rid of it tbh, I’ve only ever seen it been used by people to skip the queue.
 






Moshe Gariani

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The problem with the “fast lane” is that it is self selecting rather than being managed - what should the club do? Ask for evidence of disability before entry?

Probably just get rid of it tbh, I’ve only ever seen it been used by people to skip the queue.
Scrapping it and allowing the few legitimate walking disabled to use the side entrance at the bottom of the steps would be ideal. Doubling undercover capacity on rainy days would be a side benefit of that. Probably not possible though due to the need for an accessible ramp.
 




One Teddy Maybank

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I was talking in context of Westander’s issue with people parking in disabled without blue badges, quite how you managed to use this to insult and patronise me is a mystery!
Then read my initial post, who I referenced and their post #19, and look at your response. Weststander’s post literally has nothing to do with my original comment, as I would have quoted it.
I’m sorry if you feel insulted.

As for your comment on post #53……oh dear….
 
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