[Albion] Penalty?

[Nobby Cybergoat]

These should never ever be given as penalties.

But they are penalties under the current laws. We've had much less clear cut against us, so let's have one for ourselves please

 

[Uh_huh_him]

These should never ever be given as penalties.

But they are penalties under the current laws. We've had much less clear cut against us, so let's have one for ourselves please

Precisely this.

Against us, that's given.
It just is.

 

[METALMICKY]

Having now watched Sky's Ref Watch I'm going to change my view. Whilst none of us like the mess that is handball at the moment and the inconsistency they missed a subtle nuance. As Bogle turns his back there is a distinct movement in his elbow and upper arm. He doesn't turn his back and with the limb is remaining static. He effectively moves his arm out there with a view that it might 'accidentally on purpose' block the cross.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Precisely this.

Against us, that's given.
It just is.

To me, the laws on serious foul play (ie Dahoud) and handball (this incident) should be covered buy the same principle (which, ok i've banged on about on a few threads this week)

Was it a normal action to try to play the ball legitimately?

In this case the defender takes a normal action. He jumps to block the cross, turns his back and the ball happens to hit the bit of arm below his elbow which was sticking out. But the point, being, that is a normal jump for what he was trying to do. If the lad was doing star jumps to make himself as big as possible and it hits him, penalty.

Too many laws being decided by those who've never played

 

[The Fits]

It shouldn't be a penalty but they've been given. And that's the problem.

 

[Guinness Boy]

It’s a stone wall penalty in the current rules but the current rules are shit.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

To me, the laws on serious foul play (ie Dahoud) and handball (this incident) should be covered buy the same principle (which, ok i've banged on about on a few threads this week)

Was it a normal action to try to play the ball legitimately?

In this case the defender takes a normal action. He jumps to block the cross, turns his back and the ball happens to hit the bit of arm below his elbow which was sticking out. But the point, being, that is a normal jump for what he was trying to do. If the lad was doing star jumps to make himself as big as possible and it hits him, penalty.

Too many laws being decided by those who've never played

We all agree with the principle, however that isn't the way the laws are being applied currently.

The current model doesn't provide consistency.
Sometimes VAR officials make decisions based on what they are looking at (still of a dangerous tackle) and other times they are assessing whether the ref's/lino's decision is reasonable, given the circumstances.

It's a mess.

Time for IFAB to do a full and thorough review of the laws based on the technology now available.

 

[Eeyore]

It’s a stone wall penalty in the current rules but the current rules are shit.

I agree with this. I thought it was a penalty. But a really shit and unjust penalty to potentially win a game with.

 

[Blues Guitarist]

Defender turned his back and stuck his elbow out. In today's climate that's a penalty.

 

[monkeymz]

similar 1 in another was given unfortunately its down to the ref in charge and not the letterr of the rules

 

[Icy Gull]

Precisely this.

Against us, that's given.
It just is.

Can’t help feeling the same

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Defender turned his back and stuck his elbow out. In today's climate that's a penalty.

That's how I saw it. He turns his back, arm comes out and he has no idea where the ball is. It hits his arm which is away from his body and deflects away from the path it was on. Penalty.

 

[keaton]

Definite penalty.. While we're on it, if he'd given the clear foul on Gilmour we don't get a man sent off

 

[warmleyseagull]

If Dunk is penalised with his hands behind his back, this is Stonewall.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

We all agree with the principle, however that isn't the way the laws are being applied currently.

The current model doesn't provide consistency.
Sometimes VAR officials make decisions based on what they are looking at (still of a dangerous tackle) and other times they are assessing whether the ref's/lino's decision is reasonable, given the circumstances.

It's a mess.

Time for IFAB to do a full and thorough review of the laws based on the technology now available.