Kalimantan Gull
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Well its obviously a penalty - surely we're not going to let this become a narrative. Veltman has got too focused on the dark arts and its bitten us on the arse
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[Albion] Penalty, or...
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BrightonLoyal
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- Apr 1, 2020
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At the time I was convinced it was a foul, one watch of the video and it’s a clear penalty
P.C. Beard
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- Aug 8, 2011
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Not a foul, a stupid handball. Definitely a penalty.
southstandandy
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- Jul 9, 2003
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By quibbling about the pen, we're just looking for excuses for our abject performance.
Penalty or not we HAVE to sort our home form out. Even without the pen it would have been 0-0 and yet another disappointing point. We HAVE to start taking (and creating) more chances otherwise Mid Table will be where we finish.
Everton might be anti-football but we have to find a way to get around such teams. It's been our problem for far too long.
Penalty or not we HAVE to sort our home form out. Even without the pen it would have been 0-0 and yet another disappointing point. We HAVE to start taking (and creating) more chances otherwise Mid Table will be where we finish.
Everton might be anti-football but we have to find a way to get around such teams. It's been our problem for far too long.
Kalimantan Gull
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We do have to find this out - but its not something that happens overnight.
And of course we will finish midtable this season, and thats fine
METALMICKY
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- Jan 30, 2004
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Really?
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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We've definitely had the benefit of the doubt on the last 3 or 4 VAR decisions.
Looked a penalty at the ground.
Looked a penalty at the ground.
sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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As blatant as you can get, for me. I’d have been fuming if we’d not been given that. Veltman had his worst performance of the season today, and got utterly undone for the penalty.
martin tyler
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- Jan 25, 2013
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Was an obvious handball. It was about whether he was pushed or not. He was t watching that back.
oldboyroy
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When watching it played back it was 100% pen. Veltnam smacked ball away with his hand thinking he'd be given the foul.
- Apr 5, 2014
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Whether it was a foul or not, the action of swiping the ball away is foolish to say the least. Whatever the merits of the challenge, a penalty should never have been on the table as an outcome. Veltnam only has himself to blame.
POSKETT AT THE VALLEY
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Mid-table this season. Push on next….hopefully
Gazwag
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It was one of those where outside of the box it would probably be a foul
It was a foul. These are given ALL THE TIME against us. Veltman was at full sprint and got nudged over.
BUT, because the ref did not give the foul, it has to be a penalty with VAR in my opinion. Veltman swiped the ball away after he’d been fouled. He pushed his dark arts too far which I get, because the ref had been decent up until then.
Unfortunately, the ref can’t disagree with VAR because he has already concluded it was not a foul so the only conclusion is a penalty.
It’s like when a player is fouled and handles the ball before the ref has blown resulting in a handball.
Veltman cost us because the ref missed the foul.
BUT, because the ref did not give the foul, it has to be a penalty with VAR in my opinion. Veltman swiped the ball away after he’d been fouled. He pushed his dark arts too far which I get, because the ref had been decent up until then.
Unfortunately, the ref can’t disagree with VAR because he has already concluded it was not a foul so the only conclusion is a penalty.
It’s like when a player is fouled and handles the ball before the ref has blown resulting in a handball.
Veltman cost us because the ref missed the foul.
100% a penalty, it was a dumb bit of play by Joel and I don’t like criticising him
GrizzlingGammon
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- Dec 15, 2018
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Refs miss fouls in the build up to goals. The goal is ruled out due to a foul
Ref missed a foul today, but gave a penalty.
You either ignore the fouls missed by refs or you don't.
Which part of the Everton player pushing Veltman on his shoulder into the ball and barging him sideways is not a foul?
Hmm. There was murder in the stadium, but actually I think it's the right call. It was made was by the amount of time it took the ref to give it. He still didn't look sure what he was going to do when he walked away from the screen , so I think a lot of the anger came from the impression that he was just mentally flipping a coin.