[News] Pedestrian jailed for manslaughter

[Billy the Fish]

Some disgusting comments on this thread. In the binary world we live in, cyclists obviously trump SEN people. It was the same on the racism thread.

This is obviously a horrific accident, there's only losers here. The pedestrian was being a twat, the cyclist was incompetent. Aurial has to take her medicine and do some bird, not sure how that benefits society but I guess people need their pound of flesh.

 

[Deleted member 37369]

No, I would like the police to do their job and prosecute cyclists breaking the law - and no, I'm not suggesting they just pick on cyclists, they should take action against all law-breakers - but all law-breakers includes cyclists riding on the pavement.

The problem with that is the majority of people I see cycling on pavements are either of the older generation and youngsters … so they’re potentially vulnerable if forced to always ride on roads. Yes, others do ride on pavements when they really should be on the road … and that pees me off too when they ride without a care for others. But you can’t expect police to be on every street corner.

This will never be fully resolved until we have safer roads and better options for those that want to use pedal power to go about their lives.

But … this thread is really about a 77 year old lady cycling slowly on a wide enough path who lost her life!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Well done the CPS, jury and judge.

Auriol Grey … a bully with anger issues.

I don’t think you can jump to that conclusion. It is reported that she has cerebral palsy, is partially blind and has cognitive issues.

 

[happypig]

Do you know if there wasnt enough space?
Do you know…….

As i said previously i personally slow down..not stop..….we dont know at what speed the cyclist was pedalling…we can see that it was a 20 inch wheel bike..so smaller than the norm

No, I don't know if there was enough space but I was speaking generally; I expect cyclists to slow down, or even stop, if there isn't enough space to safely pass. In the same way you should give way to cyclists when driving a car, the bigger, heavier, faster machine should yield to the more vulnerable user.
In the case under discussion the cyclist may bear some culpability, but the manslaughter conviction shows that the pedestrian's behaviour significantly contributed to the accident.

 

[GT49er]

The problem with that is the majority of people I see cycling on pavements are either of the older generation and youngsters … so they’re potentially vulnerable if forced to always ride on roads. Yes, others do ride on pavements when they really should be on the road … and that pees me off too when they ride without a care for others. But you can’t expect police to be on every street corner.

I don't -and of course I don't expect them to pursue and prosecute every cyclist breaking the law - but if prosecutions and fines were a fairly reguar routine thing, a lot of cyclists might start to think twice

This will never be fully resolved until we have safer roads and better options for those that want to use pedal power to go about their lives.

Recent major changes to the Highway Code are at least a move in that direction.

But … this thread is really about a 77 year old lady cycling slowly on a wide enough path who lost her life!

It is - but it is also relevant to discuss whether she should have been there at all.

 

[Algernon]

I've driven round that ring-road tens of times. It can be very busy and traffic darts often from one lane to the other to get to exits on both sides and the supposed "quicker" lane.
I cycle at least 5 times a week and I would consciously try to avoid cycling on that road. It can really be quite dodgy and I'd have to cycle pretty "aggressively" and claim my lane and keep my wits about me whilst on it.
Think Vogue Gyratory, round the petrol station (if it's still there) two lane and 5-10 times the distance.
Both persons in the wrong.
Both persons slightly wonky in their own ways.
Harsh sentence though.
All in my opinion of course.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Sometimes its hard to see where cycle lanes end and pedestrian paths begin.

 

[brightn'ove]

Shared use paths are shit and here is why. It gives councils a poor excuse to state that they have built cycling infrastructure when all they’ve done is put potentially more people in danger without spending a penny on creating genuinely safe infrastructure for all road users.

Sometimes it’s impossible to tell where a shared use path ends and you’re supposed to merge back with traffic.

I was driven off the road twice in one ride today in rural essex by entitled ****s in SUVs either incident could have easily killed me.

I wish people didn’t turn into such brain dead morons in this particular debate, people will DIE because of it.

I’ll finish with this, if you hate cyclists, you’re a **** and you’ll get yours at some point.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Shared use paths are shit and here is why. It gives councils a poor excuse to state that they have built cycling infrastructure when all they’ve done is put potentially more people in danger without spending a penny on creating genuinely safe infrastructure for all road users.

Sometimes it’s impossible to tell where a shared use path ends and you’re supposed to merge back with traffic.

I was driven off the road twice in one ride today in rural essex by entitled ****s in SUVs either incident could have easily killed me.

I wish people didn’t turn into such brain dead morons in this particular debate, people will DIE because of it.

I’ll finish with this, if you hate cyclists, you’re a **** and you’ll get yours at some point.

Which post are you aiming that last sentence at ? Pretty reasonable discussion as far as I can see, including your post.

 

[Stat Brother]

Sometimes its hard to see where cycle lanes end and pedestrian paths begin.

Sadly, judging by the incident as well as some of the comments and victim blaming on here, sometimes it's also hard to see where humanity begins.

 

[Eric the meek]

It's not clear from the clip, but right at the 9-10 second mark, where the pedestrian's left foot is level with the rear wheel of the bike, the pedestrian's left elbow appears in shot. A split second later, the cyclist changes direction and falls into the road. Up until that point, the pedestrian's left arm was pointing vertically down, with her left elbow at her side, gesturing at the cyclist to get into the road.

Did the pedestrian actually push the cyclist into the road?

 

[jcdenton08]

It's not clear from the clip, but right at the 9-10 second mark, where the pedestrian's left foot is level with the rear wheel of the bike, the pedestrian's left elbow appears in shot. A split second later, the cyclist changes direction and falls into the road. Up until that point, the pedestrian's left arm was pointing vertically down, with her left elbow at her side, gesturing at the cyclist to get into the road.

Did the pedestrian actually push the cyclist into the road?

This is what I suspect too, and I imagine the lack of clear cut footage is all that prevented a murder charge. As I said before, she also completely changes her gait and angle to intercept the cyclist. She is entirely culpable.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Sadly, judging by the incident as well as some of the comments and victim blaming on here, sometimes it's also hard to see where humanity begins.

You are seeing what you expect to see. Perhaps basis previous threads. Discussions on dual use pathways and corrections of misconceptions about the perpetrator are not victim blaming.

 

[theboybilly]

I walk down a shared bike and pedestrian path with the dog most days and I wish everyone could be more considerate. I always put the dog on a lead appreciating it only takes the dog bolting for a squirrel across the patch of a cyclist for something to go badly wrong. Theres plenty of nearby space the dog can run off the lead. On the flip side, some dog walkers are oblivious to the cyclists (it's a short cut to Warwick uni). It's an accident waiting to happen.

Likewise, some cyclists think they are Lance Armstrong and plough along it like they have a record to break. There are also very considerate cyclists who let you know they are there and thank you for keeping the dog out the way.

Tragic Incidents like this - and the Facebook groups where everyone is a wanker about the other side - are the result of the I'm right culture and sod everyone else. I'm also amazed at the amount of people who don't understand - or don't want to understand - what this sign means.

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Pedestrians in my experience have no notion of a 'Shared path'. A pavement is a pavement so no need to look for signs. It's human nature. These are an ill- thought Band-Aid to try to cure a problem where the ONLY answer is a segregated path. That cyclist would still be alive if that was the case, like so many hundreds of others. The anti-cycling attitude from car drivers is far, far more dangerous though. It is a privilege to have a Driving Licence, not a right. But it is a basic right to be able to walk /cycle in a safe non-threatening environment.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Sadly, judging by the incident as well as some of the comments and victim blaming on here, sometimes it's also hard to see where humanity begins.

Thats the internet, what Jorden Peterson calls Anonymous troll demons. I doubt they would voice those views to the relatives of the deceased. It is the few who are really dangerous and they would be bad drivers anyway. The more pressing question and not a new one is why is it so difficult to keep them of the road for good?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Thats the internet, what Jorden Peterson calls Anonymous troll demons. I doubt they would voice those views to the relatives of the deceased. It is the few who are really dangerous and they would be bad drivers anyway. The more pressing question and not a new one is why is it so difficult to keep them off the road for good?

Keep who off the road ? This thread is about a pedestrian and a cyclist. There are some very confusing/confused posts on here.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Sadly, judging by the incident as well as some of the comments and victim blaming on here, sometimes it's also hard to see where humanity begins.

Question for you Stat:

Imagine a 77yo woman was driving a brand new Range Rover. Someone with learning difficulties steps in front of the Range Rover. Rather than anticipate the hazard and hit the brakes the 77yo female driver panicks and swerves into incoming traffic causing a head on crash. She dies of her injuries.

Would you give a shit if it wasn't a bike?

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Pedestrians in my experience have no notion of a 'Shared path'. A pavement is a pavement so no need to look for signs. It's human nature. These are an ill- thought Band-Aid to try to cure a problem where the ONLY answer is a segregated path. That cyclist would still be alive if that was the case, like so many hundreds of others. The anti-cycling attitude from car drivers is far, far more dangerous though. It is a privilege to have a Driving Licence, not a right. But it is a basic right to be able to walk /cycle in a safe non-threatening environment.

The trouble with a segregated path is that the segregation is a line of paint that a lot of people are oblivious to. At one park near me, the issue is that you can join the path halfway through and you have to walk 25m before it gives you a bike / pedestrian sign. No wonder everyone gets confused.

In an ideal world I agree that shared paths aren't the way forward but at the very least there should be some rules if they have to be. Dogs on leads and slowing down on bikes for pedestrians for starters. Whacking a white line down the middle of some tarmac and calling it job done is most councils idea of sorting the problem.

 

[Stat Brother]

Question for you Stat:

Imagine a 77yo woman was driving a brand new Range Rover. Someone with learning difficulties steps in front of the Range Rover. Rather than anticipate the hazard and hit the brakes the 77yo female driver panicks and swerves into incoming traffic causing a head on crash. She dies of her injuries.

Would you give a shit if it wasn't a bike?

You are a monster for even asking that.

 

[Weststander]

Some disgusting comments on this thread. In the binary world we live in, cyclists obviously trump SEN people. It was the same on the racism thread.

This is obviously a horrific accident, there's only losers here. The pedestrian was being a twat, the cyclist was incompetent. Aurial has to take her medicine and do some bird, not sure how that benefits society but I guess people need their pound of flesh.

“These actions are NOT explained by disability”.