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Paying For Surgery
- Thread starter rouseytastic
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I kind of agree but it won't be that obvious - it will be drip fed to us. We already pay for eye tests ( used to be free ), dentistry ( having to pay a greater proportion of the costs than ever before ), prescriptions etc.
Tory and Labour governments are equally guilty of 'privatising' the NHS.
Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
So you have to pay for NHS now do you?
Also the Tories have actually increased the funding to the NHS more than Labour would have in this Parliament.
portslade seagull
Well-known member
I think some parts of the NHS going private is inevitable in time. If you travel though anywhere else you would pay if you fell ill
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
Have they? Love to see the stats.
The funding isn't the issue, it's the selling off the privatisation to their pals.
Hyperion
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beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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and anything in excess is bad for you. obsessing over fat and sugar just distracts from the main problem of excessive consumption. my parents are both technically obese (a relative term that been devalued lately), aside from the old man have too much beer in the past, they've never eated anything excessivly fatty and practically no sugar save an odd cake. they simply eat too much, portion sizes are excessive.
beorhthelm
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what a confused statement. are you also confusing "free at the point of delivery" with who is running the service? does it matter if a private company runs a hospital if you dont have to pay on entry and clinical outcomes are maintained? if so, why?
Anything in moderation isn't bad for you, including smoking. The health risks are (rightly) exaggerated which allows it to be heavily taxed and as a result raises £12bn a year for the treasury. I believe the same approach should be taken to foods with extremely high fat and sugar content and little nutritional value. This would both discourage the consumer from eating it excessively, but more importantly it would encourage the food producers and venders to make and sell more healthy products.
Perhaps you are just trying to help, but I really do not want to live in your world .......
Southover Street Seagull
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This man would be turning in his grave if he knew what was happening to the NHS.
How much we spend on the NHS compared with other countries.
How we performed in 2010 compared with other countries.
How much we spend on the NHS compared with other countries.
How we performed in 2010 compared with other countries.
Blimey Ernest, that's probably the best post you've ever made!
Agreed. The insidious message is: why should all you decent people subsidise the treatment of the ne'er-do-wells? If they start wanting to charge smokers extra (despite the fact they've already paid for their treatment) you've opened the door, and soon everybody but organic vegans who go to bed at nine o'clock will be paying. Ernest has it spot on.
Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2009/jun/10/tories-nhs-expenditure
And the same point as betrothlem why does is matter if the NHS services are being delivered privately. Is this just a public good private bad argument.
Indeed but the introduction of a fat tax will make little impact. If government were serious about it then the best way to tackle it is to demand changes to the food industry. Sadly, the food industry is a heavy 'investor' in politics and government so nobody will do anything about it. During the last Labour government a report was written that highlighted the dodgy practices within the food industry and recommended how to get them to make healthier food with less fat, salt and sugar. A report that was buried once it hit the cabinet level.
The World Health Organisation also buried a similar report on junk food - why ? Because the food industry pays money into the WHO bank account.
Sex change transgender surgery anyone ......
Its inevitable that some procedures need to be looked at as there are consequences, money is always being transferred away from other areas.
We the contributors/tax payers need feel that the care is targeting those we feel need it most.
I doubt whether it has ever been anything different.
Its inevitable that some procedures need to be looked at as there are consequences, money is always being transferred away from other areas.
We the contributors/tax payers need feel that the care is targeting those we feel need it most.
I doubt whether it has ever been anything different.
Leaving aside the "you can be treated but you can't" debate There IS the question of the whole funding of the NHS. Back when it was started people smoked, drank, were in full employment - and didn't always live to pick up their pension. Also in those days hospitals did little more than take out your appendix and deliver your babies. Even then the 'totally free at the point of delivery' model broke after a few years and prescription charges were introduced. Now with the size of population, life expectancy and all the treatments available ... well, what do we do? Simply saying "increase the public funding' isn't the full answer.
Tricky Dicky
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I'd be curious how much my recent cancer treatment cost, though I wouldn't like to be paying for it directly. 8 months of diagnosis, MRIs, endoscopies, CT scans, colonoscopies then eventually a major operation and a week in hospital. Bet that adds up to a hefty sum ( and this is the second time I've had cancer in my 51 years - neither time lifestyle causes)
It is unlikely that you would find someone that would object for the NHS/our taxes to pay for such treatment.
The point being that for me our lifestyle choices are just that, a choice, I am happy to receive educational information but wouldn't wish sanctions on access to treatment due to those choices for anyone.
Interesting thread for me
I've just undergone a pulmonary endarterectomy 3 weeks ago
Performed at papworth hospital as this is the only hospital on the UK to perform this operation and one of only 4 hospitals worldwide capable of doing this op.
There are only 4 surgeons able to perform this op too.
Was in theatre 10hrs and in hospital 2 weeks
We estimate this cost in excess of 60k
If the NHS was scrapped, life saving ops like this for the normal person would be unattainable.
We need to keep the NHS at any cost!
I've just undergone a pulmonary endarterectomy 3 weeks ago
Performed at papworth hospital as this is the only hospital on the UK to perform this operation and one of only 4 hospitals worldwide capable of doing this op.
There are only 4 surgeons able to perform this op too.
Was in theatre 10hrs and in hospital 2 weeks
We estimate this cost in excess of 60k
If the NHS was scrapped, life saving ops like this for the normal person would be unattainable.
We need to keep the NHS at any cost!
What are the chances that if we abandon the NHS, people will stop getting ill ?
America has the worst health care system in the world, we will find the money in this country, because it is the decent thing to do.
The NHS can only be on it's knees if every penny given/spent is justified and their isn't enough, I don't believe that to be the case.
Ironically it's the level of bean counting middle management that the NHS could well do without.
Pretty much the exact same argument that can be leveled at the BBC.
There'd probably be so much money within the BBC if it was only made available to those that make TV and radio, and the people that run the 'business'.
Ironically it's the level of bean counting middle management that the NHS could well do without.
Pretty much the exact same argument that can be leveled at the BBC.
There'd probably be so much money within the BBC if it was only made available to those that make TV and radio, and the people that run the 'business'.