[Albion] Paul Winstanley joins Chelsea as Director of Global Talent and Transfers

[Easy 10]

I get how you are feeling, but there is another way to look at this. Every vacancy created is an opportunity to get a better person in the role, PB and TB will be trying to do that, and I think they may have done that with De Zerbi for Potter, time will tell, but for me the signs look good.

Thats certainly a glass half full attitude. But our applecart, which was chugging along very nicely, has now been suddenly and brutally upset. It will be very challenging to get this project back on track after whats happened. As you say time will tell, on the pitch and with recruitment.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If true, Potter is showing himself up as a classless **** with zero loyalty or consideration to an employer who gave him his chance at this level and stuck with him through the bad times. Lost all respect for him, as if he’d give a shit. You’d think with the money available to him he could actually look elsewhere other than the Albion for his backroom staff.

I stupidly believed he wouldn’t come back for anyone else now. I imagine Bloom is fuming, but we’ll never know. Almost certainly he’ll be back for players in January.

Hoping this is a bollocks rumour, beggars belief Potter’s doing this.

Potter sees an asset at another club and wants his new club to buy it?

What's wrong with that?

Some people seem to be hankering for football to be re-imagined as some sort of socialist collective.

If you want communism, try moving to, er (consults map), North Korea (although strictly speaking this is a fascist dictatorship)...erm China?....no sorry, there are no communist countries left now. Fancy that!

I never had you down as red in tooth and claw. Shall we form a commune together? The free Geriatrics?

 

[Easy 10]

Yes, but we live in a capitalist society and this is simply the exercise of capital in the free market.

I am unaware of any wider clamour about changing the rules.

If we are victims of our success, then this may be because we are successful. The architect here is the owner. If he thinks things may need to be done differently. then on we go.

As a club that has never won anything, ever, there is no point exaggerating our entitlement expectations. We need to win a few things before we can start thinking we are Aston Villa or Everton.

Who said anything about thinking we're Villa or Everton (for the record, I'm bloody glad we're not!).

Our success has been put in jeopardy because we've been completely raided by a PL rival, who have extracted a large chunk of the clever fellas who helped put us where we are. Now we're in the process of repairing that damage. I don't think entitlement or expectations come into it.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

f*** Chelsea. And seriously, f*** potter. Gone too far now. Hope things are thrown at him and it’s a. Very hostile atmosphere. Will make it entertaining!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Who said anything about thinking we're Villa or Everton (for the record, I'm bloody glad we're not!).

Our success has been put in jeopardy because we've been completely raided by a PL rival, who have extracted a large chunk of the clever fellas who helped put us where we are. Now we're in the process of repairing that damage. I don't think entitlement or expectations come into it.

My point was that it is all perfectly legal. That's all. Annoying, but legal. So we need to work out how to mitigate against this, going forward. If at all possible.

 

[Eeyore]

Will YOU be booing though

Highly doubtful I will be there this Saturday, so do give an extra boo from me.

I did once give the shaking fist and accompanying 'aaahhhh'. It was after Portsmouth had a goal disallowed in an FA Cup match. I was in the old West Stand and leapt out my seat after their fans came running on the pitch. I then sat down sheepishly and utterly embarrassed

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

But Bloom doesn’t get all teary eyed about staff departures, he consults the spreadsheet and gets the best person on the list in.

Dry your eyes people, he knows what he’s doing.

What are you talking about?

Bloom and Barber were clearly very mad at what went down with Potter.

It wasn't just oh well let's move on business as usual for them either.

Just because they put out a diplomatic front to the public doesn't mean they aren't seething in the background.

 

[oldboyroy]

Tony Bloom have Graham a 6 year contract after his 1st 6 months demonstrating loyalty and security. Had Potter got sacked he would of picked up a nice compo package irrespective. As soon as big money was offered ie Chelsea, Potter couldn't get out fast enough all completed within 24 hours! That's the little thing that grates me but that's just me with my brighton hat on.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Potter sees an asset at another club and wants his new club to buy it?

What's wrong with that?

Some people seem to be hankering for football to be re-imagined as some sort of socialist collective.

If you want communism, try moving to, er (consults map), North Korea (although strictly speaking this is a fascist dictatorship)...erm China?....no sorry, there are no communist countries left now. Fancy that!

I never had you down as red in tooth and claw. Shall we form a commune together? The free Geriatrics?

I don't think anyone is clamouring for communism.

However, Potter was given time and resources by TB to fulfil his end of the project. It took the best part of three years to get us playing the way we needed to. It's taken him less than three months to move most of that resource to the guys with the bigger paychecks.

It may be how the system works but it's utterly disloyal and classless.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

People don't have issue with a manager taking the people he arrived with him.

The difference here is this **** kept tapping up other staff and obviously even ones from departments outside of his own.

That's why this turd is different to other managers.

 

[Bold Seagull]

My point was that it is all perfectly legal. That's all. Annoying, but legal. So we need to work out how to mitigate against this, going forward. If at all possible.

In football mitigation is easy - you just pay people more, or you have contingency candidates in mind already.

The 2 recent history managerial changes we’ve had mid season, I think we went 9 days between Hyypia and Hughton, 10 days between Potter and Di Zerbi - probably could have been done quicker if we’d had games coming up.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

People don't have issue with a manager taking the people he arrived with him.

The difference here is this **** kept tapping up other staff and obviously even ones from departments outside of his own.

That's why this turd is different to other managers.

Yep. He has proved that.
He will be found out, eventually, once the gloss wears off and he ceases to be the flavour of the month and darling of the media. Its a front for a rather nasty, self-seeking individual, who has a lot of work to do yet to justify the status of an elite manager.

 

[Springal]

In football mitigation is easy - you just pay people more, or you have contingency candidates in mind already.

or promote people more regularly - we had a chance to appoint Winstanley as DoF or Assistant DoF in the last 6 months but didn’t. So don’t complain when he goes off to find a promotion elsewhere

 

[Bold Seagull]

What are you talking about?

Bloom and Barber were clearly very mad at what went down with Potter.

It wasn't just oh well let's move on business as usual for them either.

Just because they put out a diplomatic front to the public doesn't mean they aren't seething in the background.

I’m not suggesting they were blowing trumpets about it, but they had a complete new team hired and ready within 10 days. That means they were completely prepared with contingency planning in place - doesn’t strike me as the kind of planning and foresight that leaves you seething when it actually happens.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

or promote people more regularly - we had a chance to appoint Winstanley as DoF or Assistant DoF in the last 6 months but didn’t. So don’t complain when he goes off to find a promotion elsewhere

But perhaps he wasn’t held in high regard?

Longevity in a role does not guarantee progression and nor should it, if you want to improve.

Of course it will result in people leaving, but that’s how it is. Perhaps he’ll flop at Chelsea and Brighton will be proved right…. but just as easily they could be proved wrong.

I’m sure PB et al have their reasons

 

[Springal]

But perhaps he wasn’t held in high regard?

Longevity in a role does not guarantee progression and nor should it, if you want to improve.

Of course it will result in people leaving, but that’s how it is. Perhaps he’ll flop at Chelsea and Brighton will be proved right…. but just as easily they could be proved wrong.

I’m sure PB et al have their reasons

I don’t disagree. But the club very publicly has said and demonstrated that they won’t stop staff moving on to better opportunities - and in this case it appears a big promotion for Winstanley - who by the way has been here and done this role for a very long time now

 

[Bold Seagull]

or promote people more regularly - we had a chance to appoint Winstanley as DoF or Assistant DoF in the last 6 months but didn’t. So don’t complain when he goes off to find a promotion elsewhere

Bit like Bruno, we couldn’t give him any assurances because I suspect we already knew we were bringing in DeZerbi and his entire team.

This Chelsea owner, classic big business - I want everything that made that successful. People blaming Potter - ridiculous really, this guy has wanted the complete setup and he’s gone for it. Unless people in the room know Potter has gone to him and said ‘we really need Winstanley’ it’s just guessing to fuel some anger at the perceived injustice that can be targeted at a visible individual.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Tony Bloom have Graham a 6 year contract after his 1st 6 months demonstrating loyalty and security. Had Potter got sacked he would of picked up a nice compo package irrespective. As soon as big money was offered ie Chelsea, Potter couldn't get out fast enough all completed within 24 hours! That's the little thing that grates me but that's just me with my brighton hat on.

He would be at Villa right now, if Chelsea hadn't come in for him. They wouldn't have offered as much as Chelsea but it would have been enough for him. His time was done here and he was biding his time. His media persona had been created. The platform was there. Springboard in place. Tapped up in the summer, all the paperwork in place. All Chelsea had to do was ditch one of the best young managers in Europe for this arsehole.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I’m not suggesting they were blowing trumpets about it, but they had a complete new team hired and ready within 10 days. That means they were completely prepared with contingency planning in place - doesn’t strike me as the kind of planning and foresight that leaves you seething when it actually happens.

The fact we were going to have to have Crofts and Lallana take over the team shows how unexpected and unprepared they were for what went down. Suggests the opposite of being completely prepared.

But hard to be prepared for something that big so not their fault.

We undoubtedly got lucky there was a manager out there who wasn't contracted to a team which helped us find a replacement in a relatively short time. It made him a more favourable candidate to bring in over others who were contracted to other clubs.

 

[Binney on acid]

Why don't they just close the season now, in order to avoid injuries for a World Cup that should never be taking place when and where it is ? They could simply auction the trophy, and invite bids from Chelsea, Citeh and Newcastle.