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35% for Labour on a +5 swing away from The Conservatives would still leave Labour in second place. Nice try though.
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35% for Labour on a +5 swing away from The Conservatives would still leave Labour in second place. Nice try though.
Wardy's twin
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they are also there on Saturday night. Do you know what the difference in the shows is... ?
Prince Monolulu
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No idea, weird coincidence as I was referring to the Albion game.
Brighton Mod
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Oh of course Etonian Rifles, about public school boys making signs over the fence. What about Wasteland,, Saturday's Kids, In the City and it goes on, all written under a socialist Labour government. Contrast this with the Thatcher years, Ghosts, Man in the Corner Shop. I'll discuss Paul Weller all night, a working class guy like me, inspired singer songwriter, enigmatic performer, but not a huge political brain. I love him for what he is, a working class guy who spoke for a later day post war British youth, living in a society of little choice, little money and little opportunity, a leading style icon, in the footsteps of the 1960 Mods, the first generation to break the mold and think for themselves. If you know the Mod culture it's about working class youth breaking away from stereotyping of society, in direct contradiction to the socialist ideals.
It's not wishful thinking its a contradiction, Weller my hero, but I'll not be going to the Dome.
It's not wishful thinking its a contradiction, Weller my hero, but I'll not be going to the Dome.
Arthur
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No one is born anything other than a man or a woman. I'll stand by my original point....if you have to wait for a pop star to tell you who to vote for then you probably don't deserve the vote.
Wardy's twin
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spring hall convert
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Just out of interest, what are you referring to as 'the realities of today?'
spring hall convert
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Some might even argue that. Probably another thread though.
spring hall convert
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Is it even possible to mix British party politics and music and not come off as some type of massive ****, these days?
Brighton Mod
Its All Too Beautiful
Well we had Owen somebody from Wales campaigning for the leadership of the Labour Party promising to take us back into the EU,
Jeremy Corbyn opposes Trident but his party doesn't,
Labour voters backed Brexit, but still the party ignores them, more content with fighting each other
Renationalising the railways
Direct home rule of overseas territories if they don't comply with UK tax laws
What about the issues of housing, crime, immigration, road transport and education, other than opposing the system that educated him.
he needs to define the new working man, there are no longer large numbers of working class men labouring in the same location for the same employer, the economy is more diverse other than the NHS, the civil service and the education system. We have moved on from the seventies more and more people think for themselves. The new industries are the call centres, the procurement centres operated by large conglomerates imposing flex working contracts which are far more heinous than zero hours contracts and what do we hear from labour on these issues, too busy arguing about themselves, forgetting the people who would vote for them. Corbyn and his shadow cabinet, whatever that consists of at the moment, talk of irrelevant issues to people and in himself, he is a protest politician.
Diane Abbot espousing socialist values while claiming over £100,000 in taxi expenses from Hackney to Parliament, these politicians think we the public forget, treat us with contempt and in the words of Paul Weller in his song 'Little Boy Soldiers', its funny how you never knew what my name was, our only contact was a form for the election, these days I find that I can't be bother these days I find that its all too much'.... How prescient was Paul and now he's sharing a stage with these people.
spring hall convert
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Fair play, you make some very strong points.
Owen Smith was treated with the contempt he deserved at the ballot box by the Labour membership, despite the fact that 65% of Labour voters at the 2015 GE voted remain.
What's wrong with Corbyn holding a view on Trident that isn't endorsed by the party? If the membership are to have more say on policy (which I think would be a good thing) a disconnect between personal conviction and policy will be more likely. I like that it's out in the open, surely that's better than pursuing privately held hidden agendas?
Renationalising the railways is Labour Party policy.
Labour have talked the talk on tax. There's absolutely no possibility of a Corbyn led adminstration being softer on tax avoidance than Blair and those that have followed him have been. Any time John McDonnell opens his mouth on the subject he is accused of being wildly ambitious and anti-business.
Housing is probably the thing I've heard Corbyn talk about the most. It was a big part of policy in 2015 as well - http://www.labour.org.uk/manifesto/housing.
What specifically is it on crime that you'd like addressed?
Immigration is the one main policy area that I think illustrates the point that you are making. For many areas in the country immigration works (broadly speaking, those that voted remain.) I like the fact that the Labour Party acknowledges this, however, undoubtedly there are areas of the country where immigration is a problem. Policy and message needs to differ from Bradford to Brighton, it's not an issue that can be solved in a broad brush stroke. I don't think any party has got this right yet though.
Why shouldn't Corbyn oppose grammar schools? He didn't choose to go to one and if rumours are to be believed, it was enough of an issue for him with his own children to end his first marriage. To be honest, it's a bit of a red herring argument anyway, our system is waaay behind and it's not going to be resolved by rearranging the deckchairs.
Have a look at this list of the best education systems in the world - http://fairreporters.net/world/the-best-education-systems-in-the-world-in-2015/
Common themes in the top 5. Very limited/no selection or independent schools, large investment, modern technology, long hours, hard work. Policy needs to improve in this area but no one is particularly convincing at the moment.
You are bang on the money RE the change in the composition of the 'working class.' The fact that you don't think Labour are talking about this brings me to the big current failing which is their relationship with the media. The intentions are good, there is solid policy but it just isn't getting across. Seamus Milne seems hopelessly out of his depth and dare I say it what they need more than anything else is an Alistair Campbell type figure. I hate the man with a passion but he did control the message. I thought this piece was particularly good on this challenge - https://medium.com/@AbiWilks/speech-momentum-panel-on-media-bias-dd09d9b103b7#.d5o38yjyx
Dianne Abbott did not spend £100,000 on taxis. The Torygraph reports it as £1,100. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/8994263/Diane-Abbott-no-stranger-to-controversy.html As we know Corbyn's personal record on expenses is faultless.
She wasn't even the biggest spending MP in Hackney from 2010 - 2015 http://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/new...nse_bill_what_do_they_spend_and_why_1_4283339
Though to be honest why get sucked into this 'champagne socialist' argument because it is never ending. Take it to its logical conclusion and we'd probably find fault with Jesus. It's just playing the man and not the ball.
I'm interested to know when you last felt Labour did represent the working class effectively because reading what you've written there I don't think you are anyway near as far away from the current leadership than you think you are.
jakarta
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Of course it is. As soon as the Media realise how wonderful He is Labour will stroll to power...
spring hall convert
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Of course it is. As soon as the Media realise how wonderful He is Labour will stroll to power...
Yes because that's exactly what I said isn't it?
There are monumental failings here. They can't just cover their ears and pretend the media doesn't exist. The article that I posted acknowledges large failings here. I'll post it again and perhaps you can willfully misinterpret me again - https://medium.com/@AbiWilks/speech-momentum-panel-on-media-bias-dd09d9b103b7#.w7xr46nj3
spring hall convert
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New bike I think.
Machiavelli
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That analysis is spot-on. I've got a begrudging respect for Campbell.
jakarta
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I'm afraid its not his relationship, or lack of with the media, its the fact that his policies do not resonate with very many people which is what happens when you veer to the far left of politics in the UK. I personally wouldn't vote for him because of his historic and disgusting support of the IRA but that has been covered elsewhere.
spring hall convert
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The public has no appetite for 'far left' polices?
This might shock you then - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/pennie-varvarides/green-party-policy_b_6241234.html
The media on the other hand......
jakarta
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Usual delusional stuff, I love the credentials of the sensible shoes author of the article, feminist, socialist, kick boxer
spring hall convert
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Usual delusional stuff, I love the credentials of the sensible shoes author of the article, feminist, socialist, kick boxer
It's a terrible bit of writing, no doubt. The numbers are real but will obviously be skewed to younger respondents given that it's the internet.
This was the survey, widely circulated before the last election - https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/.