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[Football] Paul Grange



Bozza

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He'll be regretting this for a long, long time.

Well and truly "Jamied" to use local parlance by a lot of Liverpool fans.

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Kinky Gerbil

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Without defending him in anyway or form- The Liverpool fans on twitter who are contacting his work are fools, I assume they have never made Munich comments....
 






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Without defending him in anyway or form- The Liverpool fans on twitter who are contacting his work are fools, I assume they have never made Munich comments....

Your assumption is correct - no right-minded person would not dream of making any sort of Munich comment. Or are you suggesting you have? Is it just standard Premier League bantz to do that?
 


Kinky Gerbil

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Your assumption is correct - no right-minded person would not dream of making any sort of Munich comment. Or are you suggesting you have? Is it just standard Premier League bantz to do that?



A day doesn't go by when I make an airplane gesture to the Man U fans at work.
 




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Your assumption is correct - no right-minded person would not dream of making any sort of Munich comment. Or are you suggesting you have? Is it just standard Premier League bantz to do that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36372274

That is just the latest in a long history of Liverpool and Utd fans frequently sing songs about the others' tragedies. Is it really that much of a stretch to think a few of the thousands of fans might have made comments outside of the football ground in this age of social media? Every club has their group of idiotic fans. Liverpool aren't immune to that.
 


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Read about this earlier. Astonishingly, the landlord of the pub in question has been on the receiving end of abuse for this, despite the fact that, once he was made aware of the t-shirt, he slung the bloke out.

Not sure what else the landlord is supposed to do or why he deserves abuse?
 


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reading the tweets have made me laugh this morning 10 8 ton diggers
80 cans of lilt and vimto
2.5k of takeaways,8 ton of horse manure cement mixers 6 foot ladder and a bit of rope 70 pairs of children's star wars shoes lol

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Worcester man arrested on suspicion of public order offence

A man from Worcester has been arrested by police today (Monday 30 May) after reports were received of a man wearing a t-shirt printed with offensive comments relating to the Hillsborough disaster.

The man, aged 50, was arrested by officers this morning, under Section 4a of the Public Order Act 1986, on suspicion that with intent he displayed writing which was threatening, abusive, insulting and caused harassment, alarm or distress.

Members of the public called police after the man was seen wearing the t-shirt at the Brewers Arms pub in the St Johns area of Worcester yesterday (Sunday 29 May) he was asked to leave by the landlord.

Superintendent Kevin Purcell said: " I understand the alarm and distress the offensive language shown on this t-shirt will have caused to both the people in and around the pub and further afield.

"I would like to thank the landlord of the pub for his support and all the members of the public who were in the pub at the time and came forward to report it.

"Police acted very quickly to arrest the individual and he remains in police custody at this time."

https://www.westmercia.police.uk/ar...arrested-on-suspicion-of-public-order-offence
 




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Worcester man arrested on suspicion of public order offence

A man from Worcester has been arrested by police today (Monday 30 May) after reports were received of a man wearing a t-shirt printed with offensive comments relating to the Hillsborough disaster.

The man, aged 50, was arrested by officers this morning, under Section 4a of the Public Order Act 1986, on suspicion that with intent he displayed writing which was threatening, abusive, insulting and caused harassment, alarm or distress.

Members of the public called police after the man was seen wearing the t-shirt at the Brewers Arms pub in the St Johns area of Worcester yesterday (Sunday 29 May) he was asked to leave by the landlord.

Superintendent Kevin Purcell said: " I understand the alarm and distress the offensive language shown on this t-shirt will have caused to both the people in and around the pub and further afield.

"I would like to thank the landlord of the pub for his support and all the members of the public who were in the pub at the time and came forward to report it.

"Police acted very quickly to arrest the individual and he remains in police custody at this time."

https://www.westmercia.police.uk/ar...arrested-on-suspicion-of-public-order-offence



This is the way that it should possibly have been dealt with in the first place instead of all the other spitting in the face and sending stuff to his home shit. Perhaps make an example of him and maybe just maybe it will deter others. The only problem with doing this it then sets a precedent and when you see some of the ''far right'' or '' pro ISIS'' demonstrators on marches, they often wear offensive worded T shirts and it would be almost impossible to start arresting everyone for what is essentially ''freedom of speech''

Not the sort of speech that I think people should be free to make because history tells us that toxic speech can spread. There really isn't a perfect way to deal with this but in some ways we have made it worse by trending Paul Grange and his T shirt.

How many people would have seen it without the photo and the publication of it 50 - 100 perhaps. Now it' millions, so his hatred has spread thanks to social media and people's desire to lash out in retaliation.

His T-shirt is in tremendously bad taste and disrespectful but others have given it a ''platform'' - Sad really.
 


Bold Seagull

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How many people would have seen it without the photo and the publication of it 50 - 100 perhaps. Now it' millions, so his hatred has spread thanks to social media and people's desire to lash out in retaliation.

His T-shirt is in tremendously bad taste and disrespectful but others have given it a ''platform'' - Sad really.

I don't know, like you say, he walks around with a t shirt offending a 100 people, but his behaviour goes unchecked. Imagine someone sat in a pub with something on the Shoreham Air Disaster on their t-shirt, ask yourself how angry you'd be? The platform is really you can't get away with this kind of stuff. He'll probably have lost his job tomorrow, he'll be enduring no end of harassment and now police involvement. It's a powerful message to the idiots out there that you just can't get away with this kind of nonsense.
 




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Part of me, despite the majority thinking it's thoroughly deserved, wonders if this has gone too far.

It's at that point I remember that the only reason to wear a t-shirt like that is to get a reaction and if, somehow, it had got a positive response then he'd likely be loving it. Happily that's not how it worked out...still, at least he got the attention he wanted.
 


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This is the way that it should possibly have been dealt with in the first place instead of all the other spitting in the face and sending stuff to his home shit.
His T-shirt is in tremendously bad taste and disrespectful but others have given it a ''platform'' - Sad really.

The power (not always for good) of the internet there. Yes it's unpleasant, yes, it's going to (deliberately) cause offence. But perhaps dealing with it at the time would have been better, instead of it turning into a global shitstorm. Some of the responses to him on Twitter are grotesquely offensive too. He's being threatened with all sorts, violent and otherwise. Hundreds of people have contacted Eddie Stobart, his employer I assume, demanding he gets fired. I've little doubt that Stobart will bow to public pressure and dispense with his services, after which he's going to struggle to get employment again because anybody Googling him will discover exactly who he is and why he's out of work.

You might not be sympathetic to that, perhaps, but has he got a wife/ partner/ kids? If he has, they're going to be harmed by all this too (in the long term as well as the short term if he loses his job). Yes, he's been a total and utter tool, but what's likely to happen to him and potentially any family now is going to be totally out of proportion to his idiotic, attention-seeking behaviour. Whilst the Hillsborough families are, I'm sure, upset by his t-shirt and social media comments, I'd like to think they'd urge people to react with a little more dignity than (some of them) currently are.

Anyone read So You've Been Publicly Shamed by Jon Ronson? Interesting insight into various cases of people who have, mostly by their own design, found themselves on the receiving end of public witch hunts. I suspect Mr Grange is headed the same way.
 


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