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Paul Barber speaks out on bus price increase etc



DarrenFreemansPerm

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Sep 28, 2010
17,446
Shoreham
Financial Fair Play is designed as a way of stopping clubs living beyond their means. That SHOULD mean controlling payments to agents and bringing players' wages under control.

Clubs however are just keeping the wages etc the same and charging fans more to generate the extra income needed to meet the criteria.

Not really how it was meant to work...

Criminally this is the ultimate nail on the head.
 










supaseagull

Well-known member
Feb 19, 2004
9,614
The United Kingdom of Mile Oak
Financial Fair Play is designed as a way of stopping clubs living beyond their means. That SHOULD mean controlling payments to agents and bringing players' wages under control.

Clubs however are just keeping the wages etc the same and charging fans more to generate the extra income needed to meet the criteria.

Not really how it was meant to work...

Absolutely spot on.
 














Husty

Mooderator
Oct 18, 2008
11,998
Did you not pay for your own travel to the Goldstone RIP or the Withdean ??

And what were ticket prices like at those 2 stadiums? Much more reasonable. Being asked to pay the scandalous ticket prices, a mandatory booking fee AND travel to and from the ground IS going to price people out of attending. And then the club WILL be losing out big time.
 


clapham_gull

Legacy Fan
Aug 20, 2003
25,877
Is it actually possible to withdraw planning permission once something's been built and in operation for a couple of years when the original criteria were met at the time it was built? Genuinely interested.

You can't withdraw permission it's too late. But you can enforce a planning condition.
 




Grombleton

Surrounded by <div>s
Dec 31, 2011
7,356
Did you not pay for your own travel to the Goldstone RIP or the Withdean ??

This. When did people get soft? I totally understand that the club seem to be pushing costs onto the fans, but this is something that has been generously sorted by the club in the past, so it's only going back to how things were.

It's not perfect, but it's a leisure activity and the club doesn't owe us anything (it's a business, remember) and if it helps us stay within FFP, then it's (regrettably, in my view) got to be done.
 


Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
31,269
If subsidising travel was a planning requirement for the stadium then plainly the notion of FFP wasn't factored in.

My personal experience is I drive from Ashington solo to the ground and park in the Bridge car park. So with the travel element of the season ticket that I don't use, plus the £13 a shot parking charge plus c. £9 for petrol that's £26 in travel costs for a 30-odd mile round trip.
 


DarrenFreemansPerm

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Sep 28, 2010
17,446
Shoreham
Do we really need to pay Barber a handsome salary for his efforts, couldn't we just brainstorm the most sinister way to exploit fans and then
forward it on to the club. All in the name of FFP, of course
 




Sheebo

Well-known member
Jul 13, 2003
29,319
Financial Fair Play is being unilaterally being passed onto fans. Nothing more nothing less.

This is a wider issue than the transport.

I agree with it in principle but not in the way it is being dealt with. Like a number of good ideas come up with by the authorities it's the fans that ultimately suffer.

I look forward to the backlash from fans against the football playing industry. It's time it woke up.

When I hear another ex professional come pundit defending the wages on the radio or television, I simply turn off.

Absolutely spot on.
 


clapham_gull

Legacy Fan
Aug 20, 2003
25,877
We all know what the problem is, will the football industry ever wake up to it.

The inflated salaries demanded by players and agents appear protected in the face of either recessional factors or financial conditions of membership like FFP.

It's not just the owners fleecing us, let's face it. It's the players and it's time the fans woke up to it.
 
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Seagull73

Sienna's Heaven
Jul 26, 2003
3,382
Not Lewes
The use of sustainable public transport was part of the planning application, but I don't believe that 'subsidised' travel was a condition (even though it was part of the ticket price at Withdean).

The cost of the deal with B&H buses was always unsustainably high, and the club would never have met the costs unless we were all charged a ridiculous levy, so this was always going to happen.

That said, the clubs PR is coming across as bloody awful at the moment - and somebody needs to get a grip of it, because the corporate bollocks we kept getting fed at the moment is not going to wash for long.
 




Albion Dan

Banned
Jul 8, 2003
11,125
Peckham
When you consider that the total club saving from the new bus charge is probably about £300k, then consider that is just over half a year of Ryan Harleys wages......

I hope the club make sure their signings really count this year, we certainly cant afford to carry passengers, and certainly need some kids coming through.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,019
Financial Fair Play is designed as a way of stopping clubs living beyond their means. That SHOULD mean controlling payments to agents and bringing players' wages under control.

i know your're technically right, but theres no provision to actually make that the objective is there? like having wages and other playing side costs capped at a % of revenue?

on the other hand, they have excluded things like capital expediture, for stadiums and training facilites exempt from the sums right? for most clubs this travel thing isnt an issue as they never had a subsidy, so we are an edge case the rules didnt allow for.
 


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