Passenger protest against Southern Trains

[Murray 17]

I have probably missed something here, but aren't Southern wanting to remove guards from trains, as is their right as an employer? However, the union is saying they don't want this to happen so are refusing to work for long periods of time knowing how much this is going to disrupt innocent people?

 

[Gazwag]

I dont use trains but would you not be better blocking the ticket barriers so nobody can get on and the trajn runs empty but lije everything it needs to be done at every station or it will fail. Just a thought could you not surround the RMT pickets to make them less effective as surely they are the major cause of the problem.

Problem is plenty of commuters have already lost their jobs or been forced into a change of job already, unfair on the people who are suffering the most from this.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I havent read it because it will be loaded by the likes of Ernest who are anti anything that most want and see as sensible. I would prefer somebody to list the reasons for the dispute and the major arguments for and against without political bias, just facts.

Ignore Ernest and just read Deadly Danson's posts. He knows exactly what he is talking about. I've learned a lot about the dispute from him.
Then take into account that Southern Rail also want to close the ticket offices, and have peed off the other two rail unions besides the RMT.



Oh, and Wookie, I can't get a train from here as they've all been cancelled.

 

[dazzer6666]

Ignore Ernest and just read Deadly Danson's posts. He knows exactly what he is talking about. I've learned a lot about the dispute from him.
Then take into account that Southern Rail also want to close the ticket offices, and have peed off the other two rail unions besides the RMT.



Oh, and Wookie, I can't get a train from here as they've all been cancelled.

This.

 

[Dick Head]

Sounds good but people haven't got the balls!


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I have.

 

[DanRedman]

Time to put pressure on our local MPs to fight the case in parliament, as well as continued pressure on the national government. Forget Southern, they haven't given a pigs ear what their customers do or say

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Time to put pressure on our local MPs to fight the case in parliament, as well as continued pressure on the national government. Forget Southern, they haven't given a pigs ear what their customers do or say

To be fair, Maria Caulfield has already been putting pressure on. She got involved in the Seaford train meeting, the problems the disabled had getting on the replacement bus service and has been to several meetings in Westminster.
Peter Kyle has also been involved as has Caroline Lucas.

 

[beorhthelm]

I have probably missed something here, but aren't Southern wanting to remove guards from trains, as is their right as an employer? However, the union is saying they don't want this to happen so are refusing to work for long periods of time knowing how much this is going to disrupt innocent people?

that would be one way of looking at it, except they dont want to remove the guards but change their role to remove their involvement in train dispatch.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

To be fair, Maria Caulfield has already been putting pressure on. She got involved in the Seaford train meeting, the problems the disabled had getting on the replacement bus service and has been to several meetings in Westminster.
Peter Kyle has also been involved as has Caroline Lucas.

What about old Soames? Haywards Heath is absolute commutersville. Surely he must have taken an interest.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What about old Soames? Haywards Heath is absolute commutersville. Surely he must have taken an interest.

I don't know. He isn't my MP so I haven't a clue what he does or when.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I don't know. He isn't my MP so I haven't a clue what he does or when.

But you did mention three MP's who you seem to know about...are all them yours?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

But you did mention three MP's who you seem to know about...are all them yours?

One of them is, the other two have been mentioned frequently by the Argus, and on Twitter.

 

[LamieRobertson]

One of them is, the other two have been mentioned frequently by the Argus, and on Twitter.

I'm assuming then that Soames isen't referred to in the argus and Twitter much...which is a tad surprising ...as Ed said HH is commutersville

 

[Carrot Cruncher]

Any direct action should be aimed at DafT. People like Peter Wilkinson need to be shit right up if protests get a bit too close to home. Him and his department won't give a monkeys about protests at Victoria, Brighton, etc. Southern are just the patsies for the government, so if you want anything done, you will need to scare them instead.

 

[Carrot Cruncher]

Fatty Soames won't inwardly give a toss. Outwardly he might make a couple of grunts about inconveniencing commuters, but if you're going to find someone towing the Tory line, he'll be close to the top of the list.

 

[dazzer6666]

Fatty Soames won't inwardly give a toss. Outwardly he might make a couple of grunts about inconveniencing commuters, but if you're going to find someone towing the Tory line, he'll be close to the top of the list.

This. Must be 000s of commuters on his patch (H Heath, Burgess Hill) but not much of a squeak from the lardy one.

 

[catfish]

I'll gladly join any organised protest against this bunch of incompetents.

 

[maltaseagull]

I havent read it because it will be loaded by the likes of Ernest who are anti anything that most want and see as sensible. I would prefer somebody to list the reasons for the dispute and the major arguments for and against without political bias, just facts.

Good luck with that on here

 

[coagulantwolf]

Worth contacting the DfT and telling them in strictest terms as commuters we realise that it is you, the department for transport, that is massively causing the problems with Southern too. We won't forget it come the next election etc either.

https://forms.dft.gov.uk/contact-dft-and-agencies/

 

[Gwylan]

Worth contacting the DfT and telling them in strictest terms as commuters we realise that it is you, the department for transport, that is massively causing the problems with Southern too. We won't forget it come the next election etc either.

https://forms.dft.gov.uk/contact-dft-and-agencies/

Oh, it will be totally forgotten by the next election. As I posted last week, one of the reasons that the government is pursuing this policy is it knows there's no electoral comeback. Some people will blame the unions and even if the majority blame the government, most of the seats are such stonking Tory majorities, they're happy to lose a few hundred votes here and there.

If SASTA was operating in a region full of marginal seats, the government would have a different response