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GT49er

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Lenny Rider said:
Can NSC settle a pub argument please

When is a band not a band?

Do Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend represent a Who gig?

But if Paul and Ringo played with a backing band would you call that The Beatles?

Do only 2 of the original Stones still carry the same gravitas?

Can Mike Love and a stage of session musicians really call themselves The Beach Boys and charge £80 at the Brighton Centre?

Or is life too short, and everyone deserves to make a living? ❤️
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There's no right answer here. Each case is different. I would rather go and see Townshend and Daltrey playing as Townshend and Daltrey rather than as The Who. Paul and Ringo would definately not be The Beatles (the Bootleg Beatles are much better anyway - they play stuff live that The Beatles never did). For other bands, they can grow and develop with personnel changes - Fairport Convention a classic case in point, Jethro Tull too (although they'd be lost without Ian Anderson, whereas Fairport have lost Sandy Denny, Richard Thompson and Dave Swarbrick, to name but a few, without a backward step. Genesis went right down hill when Gabriel left - but strangely some people bought more of their records than before .....................
Some just change their name - Joy Division without Ian Curtis might have been considered crap, but as New Order they did alright.
It gets really complicated when a tribute band goes out on tour with one of the original band members playing in it (Rory Gallagher (Tribute) Band)!
 
















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It's a good question. Years ago I saw Dr Feelgood without Wilko Johnson and was told by 'proper' Feelgood fans that I hadn't seen the real thing. I disagreed, but I sort-of understood as I saw the Stranglers with Hugh Cornwell, so I've seen the 'real' Stranglers. (I'm not sure what I'd think about seeing Feelgood now as they're still going without any of the original members!)

I don't think there is a hard and fast rule. I saw Lynyrd Skynyrd and Gary Rossington was the only surviving member from the 'classic' lineup, but yeah, I've seen Lynyrd Skynyrd. On the other hand, from a personal point of view, I couldn't go and see Queen without Freddie Mercury and say I'd seen the real thing.
 


thedonkeycentrehalf

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Jul 7, 2003
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I think this sometimes depends on which version of a band got you interested.

Using some rock examples, Steve Hogarth has been in Marillion for much longer than Fish ever was but for me they are not the same band. Pink Floyd will have those who are Syd fans, Waters fans (that's me) and those who preferred the post-Waters output. Iron Maiden were not the same when Bruce Dickinson had his break. Deep Purple have had many incarnations but the current group have probably been together the longest.

Even Spinal Tap replaced their drummers on a regular basis!
 


pasty

pasty

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Jul 5, 2003
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Brovion said:
On the other hand, from a personal point of view, I couldn't go and see Queen without Freddie Mercury and say I'd seen the real thing.
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Absolutely this. I'm a huge Queen fan and, although we didn't know it at the time, I was at the last live gig Queen did with Freddie and don't want to sully that memory.

I will never go and see Roger, Brian and some other blokes performing Queen songs. Only half the original band are involved so it's not Queen, and they've got a bloody cheek calling themselves that.
 




DavidinSouthampton

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Brovion said:
It's a good question. Years ago I saw Dr Feelgood without Wilko Johnson and was told by 'proper' Feelgood fans that I hadn't seen the real thing. I disagreed, but I sort-of understood as I saw the Stranglers with Hugh Cornwell, so I've seen the 'real' Stranglers. (I'm not sure what I'd think about seeing Feelgood now as they're still going without any of the original members!)

I don't think there is a hard and fast rule. I saw Lynyrd Skynyrd and Gary Rossington was the only surviving member from the 'classic' lineup, but yeah, I've seen Lynyrd Skynyrd. On the other hand, from a personal point of view, I couldn't go and see Queen without Freddie Mercury and say I'd seen the real thing.
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I went to the first Knebworth in 1974, mainly because the Allman Brothers Band were playing. They had lost the iconic Duane Allman three years earlier in 1971. He’s my Avatar and all time guitar hero. They lost the bassist, Berry Oakley almost exactly a year later. They were still bl%&dy good though, still the best gig/band I have ever seen.
 










zefarelly

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Razzoo said:
A letter in Viz once argued the case for Paul and Ringo to replace The Who's deceased rhythm section. To be renamed The Bho or The Whotles.
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Thats about as far as the conversation needs to go.

seriously most old bands have just become Butlins-esque tribute acts anyway.

Dr Feelgood anyone?
 


Tom Bombadil

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Super Steve Earle said:
The Stones weren't quite the Stones after Brian Jones died. Mick Taylor kept them going for a bit longer. Never the same creative force once Ronnie Wood joined. Sadly a better artist than guitar player.
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Taylor was on arguably the stones 2 definitive albums Sticky fingers and Exile. I think Jagger Richards Wyman Watts and Taylor is the best line up. Brian Jones is an interesting figure but he hugely overated beacause of his tragic demise.
 










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