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[Travel] Parking on grass verges
- Thread starter jonny.rainbow
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- Aug 24, 2020
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When they built ours (1931), I guess car ownership wasn't really a thing. One per family at most, and that car was half the size it would be today anyway. I blame lack of forethought. No concept of what things would be like 92 years in the future. They should be given a good talking to.
They’ve learned bugger all though….they’re building brand new estates with woefully inadequate spaces
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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bigger, wider cars, drivers cant judge properly or cant quite pass, so tend to go up on verge rather than risk scraping the curb. at least what i've seen a few times.
I think parking facing the wrong way is illegal in Britain too, albeit I've never heard of anybody actually being done for it. I think it would only matter if somebody managed to smash into your car in the night.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Indeed.
We can forgive housebuilders in the 1930s - of course they wouldn't have any idea of how car/vehicle ownership would develop. But the builders of brand new estates? They will know only too well the stats on car ownership. So too, will the planners who signed off those new estates.
No money in building parking spaces
It's actually planning policy - not just an oversight or lack of thought. Up here we have had two (small) estates built deliberately with one car parking space each - the point being to try and limit households to one car. The other reason the developers do it is to pretend that 'each house will only have one car, so there will only be 30 additional trips per day'. That gets to tick a box of limited impact on traffic movements.
When we all know from the outset that there will be double that amount.
Weststander
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That’s exactly it and councils want that.
Planning applications have to lay it on thick about the use of sustainable transport - bus routes, cycle ports, a charging point for the lone household car. Councils don’t want three car spaces per new home for that reason.
Then in the real world people continue to use cars en masse.
Whoislloydy
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My street isn't wide enough for two cars to pass eachother, but because of driveways there's plenty of pull in spots to let someone through.
Roads here are typically much wider than home, to account for all the big ass trucks.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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Part of the issue is the sheer volumes of ‘tanks’ on our roads now. Once a 4x4 SUV was the preserve of a few, now every Tom Dick and Harry has one. Roads not wide enough. Parking not wide enough. Driveways not wide enough - and when 3 per household too, they get dumped half on pavement and half on road. Congestion congestion congestion. And to hell with everyone else. If half of them had the brains and foresight to see they’re a very large part of the problem it would help. But ‘Jade’ needs to get her nails done, and transport ‘Naafun & Court-a-nee’ to Skool 0.5 miles away, so the fleet of Sherman’s must be maintained - outside everybody else’s houses obviously.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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Double? If only!! It’s at least triple, quite normal quadruple for buy to rents. Then there’s the other halves, and grown up kids that can’t afford to leave home. Nope, for a 4 bedroom house sometimes 8-10 cars isn’t uncommon in my experience. 6 of which will be on the road. Multiply that by a hundred houses = endless congestion and emergency access issues not to mention accidents. People literally die because of congestion now, and not talking air pollution.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,148
I hope no-one is expecting me to offer an answer, because I don't have one!
Population growth is still heading north (even in spite of Brexit), and pressure on housing seems as high as ever. Planning policy ain't helping.
Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope for our verges. If predictions come true, then before not too long, we will all be giving up our cars, and preferring to choose the 'rent-a-ride' option from a driverless electric car. Imagine that. Suburban roads empty of cars. Hmmm.
Population growth is still heading north (even in spite of Brexit), and pressure on housing seems as high as ever. Planning policy ain't helping.
Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope for our verges. If predictions come true, then before not too long, we will all be giving up our cars, and preferring to choose the 'rent-a-ride' option from a driverless electric car. Imagine that. Suburban roads empty of cars. Hmmm.
Mental Lental
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In Japan, you're not allowed to buy a car unless you can provide proof that you have a place to park it. You have to apply at the local police station for a copper to come to your house and approve your parking space. He signs a form for you which you have to present to any car dealer or even private sale of a car. We have a small car port which is just about big enough to fit a Mini Cooper in but many people have to hire an official parking space, sometimes a solid 5 minute walk from their house if they live in central Tokyo.
As for parking in general. Like littering....People just don't do it. In unofficially designated parking places anyway. You wanna park your car anywhere around here that isn't your own parking space, you pay by the hour in a commercial parking lot.
Cotton Socks
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- Feb 20, 2017
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My neighbour parks next to his drive on the road, just to piss off the neighbour across the road that he had a 'parking war' with a few years ago! That was because the neighbour across the road parked so close to his drive that he couldn't get out.
It's crazy that new builds aren't taking cars into consideration. They're not going away & people are moving to 'cleaner' elec cars. So the discouraging of cars for environmental reasons is pointless. All that's going to do is put pressure on parking everywhere else. Yes people did without cars years ago & we all walked a mile to get a pint of milk but things change. There are probably a few people that can go without a car as they just use it to drive to the corner shop but equally people need it for work etc. Closest school to home (even in Primary) is a thing of the past as well. My road is so narrow that if they didn't park on the grass verge a fire engine wouldn't get down it. I don't own a car or drive before anyone thinks I'm automatically on the side of motorists!
Edit to add.. that an electric car charging point has been put at a random 'small hill' road off of my road. You have to book it, it's only available between certain times I go out at all times & I've never seen a car there, obviously that doesn't mean there hasn't but it's a really weird place to put one!
It's crazy that new builds aren't taking cars into consideration. They're not going away & people are moving to 'cleaner' elec cars. So the discouraging of cars for environmental reasons is pointless. All that's going to do is put pressure on parking everywhere else. Yes people did without cars years ago & we all walked a mile to get a pint of milk but things change. There are probably a few people that can go without a car as they just use it to drive to the corner shop but equally people need it for work etc. Closest school to home (even in Primary) is a thing of the past as well. My road is so narrow that if they didn't park on the grass verge a fire engine wouldn't get down it. I don't own a car or drive before anyone thinks I'm automatically on the side of motorists!
Edit to add.. that an electric car charging point has been put at a random 'small hill' road off of my road. You have to book it, it's only available between certain times I go out at all times & I've never seen a car there, obviously that doesn't mean there hasn't but it's a really weird place to put one!
US Seagull
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This would be what I'd hope for. It could really revolutionize the world if you could just get a car on demand and have it just go away when you don't need it. As somebody who's been working from home for the last two plus years, my car barely moves. But I can't get rid of it for those couple of times I actually do need to run an errand.
I fear it's one of those things that will always be five years away though.
I'll hazard a guess they didn't do it again::
www.lbc.co.uk
Vandals smash windows and graffiti 'MOVE' in yellow spray paint in row over pavement parking
Vandals in Manchester went on an overnight spree smashing car windows and spray painting the words ‘move’ on the bonnets.
www.lbc.co.uk
Love the way the article says "although a motive remains unclear". Couldn't be a clearer motive - they have even written it on the bonnets!I'll hazard a guess they didn't do it again::
Vandals smash windows and graffiti 'MOVE' in yellow spray paint in row over pavement parking
Vandals in Manchester went on an overnight spree smashing car windows and spray painting the words ‘move’ on the bonnets.
PS - how do you insert a URL/unfurl thing like that, where it gives a little picture and so on - all I can seem to do is insert a plan URL https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/vandals-...ove-in-yellow-spray-paint-in-row-over-paveme/
juliant
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Verge parking is one thing but pavement parking really winds me up especially when it’s a neighbour who blocks my back gate as well as the path !
Official Old Man
Uckfield Seagull
Old man on soapbox time.
300 metre stretch of road outside a local school has grass verge down one side. About 6 months ago the council spent what must have been a lot of money repairing all the verges to grass, took weeks and then more time to grow back. Initially cones were left on the grass to stop parking but one by one these cones have been removed and now the verge is as bad as it was 6 months ago. And all because mummy has to collect baby from school. Last week I had to collect my Granddaughter from said school (walked the half mile) and it was a wet day. Couldn't believe how many cars park on the yellow zig zag lines! When I pointed out their illegal parking I got explanations that varied from 'waiting for a parking spot' to 'I'm not parked as the engine is running'. The latter being on her phone so I pointed out that she was breaking the law using her phone whilst driving if she wasn't parked.
The good news following all those altercations is that my wife wont let me go up to the school again. Win win for me.
300 metre stretch of road outside a local school has grass verge down one side. About 6 months ago the council spent what must have been a lot of money repairing all the verges to grass, took weeks and then more time to grow back. Initially cones were left on the grass to stop parking but one by one these cones have been removed and now the verge is as bad as it was 6 months ago. And all because mummy has to collect baby from school. Last week I had to collect my Granddaughter from said school (walked the half mile) and it was a wet day. Couldn't believe how many cars park on the yellow zig zag lines! When I pointed out their illegal parking I got explanations that varied from 'waiting for a parking spot' to 'I'm not parked as the engine is running'. The latter being on her phone so I pointed out that she was breaking the law using her phone whilst driving if she wasn't parked.
The good news following all those altercations is that my wife wont let me go up to the school again. Win win for me.