Panaroma last night

[Deleted member 22389]

Anyone watch this last night. I see nothing changes does it. Those teenagers openely admitted there is no point going to work because they get more money on benefits. Why can't this government send them on work experience to earn their benefits then. The company gets a free worker. If these teenagers don't show cut the benefits, or would it be against there human rights to do it?

I don't want to talk about the mother with four kids, smoking fags and pot all day, yet she complains about stress as one of the reasons she cannot go to work. She earns more money in benefits and help than some of us do for going out to work full time.

I want to know when this government is going to get with the programme with these type of people. It's a f&*g disgrace.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I agree with the sentiments of some of that. However, not all teenagers are of that ilk. I know several in our church who have found it extremely difficult to gain employment.

 

[Sam-]

I agree with the sentiments of some of that. However, not all teenagers are of that ilk. I know several in our church who have found it extremely difficult to gain employment.

But work experiencce would be valuable to those genuinely after work so shouldn't see it as a punishment.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

But work experiencce would be valuable to those genuinely after work so shouldn't see it as a punishment.

True.

 

[larus]

The problem with the welfare state is that is can be viewed as a lifestyle choice. It should be there to help those who are either in genuine hardship (and no, leaving school and not finding work does not count), or who have fallen on tough times, e.g losing your job.

I have no problem with the ideal of a welfare society. I do, however, object to those who abuse it, and the lefties/do-gooders who say that we can't touch/reform it and accuse those who make such suggestions, that they are right-wing/selfish/etc, etc.

 

[Sam-]

The problem with the welfare state is that is can be viewed as a lifestyle choice. It should be there to help those who are either in genuine hardship (and no, leaving school and not finding work does not count), or who have fallen on tough times, e.g losing your job.

I have no problem with the ideal of a welfare society. I do, however, object to those who abuse it, and the lefties/do-gooders who say that we can't touch/reform it and accuse those who make such suggestions, that they are right-wing/selfish/etc, etc.

As part of our welfare state, children are given free education to the age of 18. In my opinion, those who do not take advantage of this shouldn't be able to claim benefits while simply doing nothing. Everyone says its hard to find work and there aren't any jobs. But this is only true if you aren't attractive to employers. My experience of people on job seekers is that they feel other people should do more to get them jobs. (Think you only have to apply for 3 jobs a week). I came home from uni applied for about 15 jobs in the space of a few days and a week later was working.

 

[Surrey_Albion]

The problem with the welfare state is that is can be viewed as a lifestyle choice. It should be there to help those who are either in genuine hardship (and no, leaving school and not finding work does not count), or who have fallen on tough times, e.g losing your job.

I have no problem with the ideal of a welfare society. I do, however, object to those who abuse it, and the lefties/do-gooders who say that we can't touch/reform it and accuse those who make such suggestions, that they are right-wing/selfish/etc, etc.

Completly agree!!! I have also wandered if National service should be brought back rather than Goverment spending money on TV adverts to recruit, if you havent got 1:A job,2:An apprentiship.3: still in education, then off you go into the forces for a year then when they come out they will have a bit of motivation,purpose and self respect

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Completly agree!!! I have also wandered if National service should be brought back rather than Goverment spending money on TV adverts to recruit, if you havent got 1:A job,2:An apprentiship.3: still in education, then off you go into the forces for a year then when they come out they will have a bit of motivation,purpose and self respect

National service would be an excellent idea. The current system is not working and will never work.

That kid last night was reading out his offenses like some sort of badge of honour, it's disgusting. It seems like being poor can also be used as an excuse for being a thug.

Compared to other countries the thugs in this country don't know how good they have it. The punishments being handed are not working, it's weak and these people are taking the pee out of the system. No point in sending social workers around for a chat, cuddle and cup of coffe, you can't change some of these people.

The kids constantly causing a nuisance around the area, as soon as they hit 17 send them away on National service. I don't know if France or Italy still run national service, however a bit of discipline would not hurt some of these scum bags.

 

[Simster]

The problem with the welfare state is that is can be viewed as a lifestyle choice. It should be there to help those who are either in genuine hardship (and no, leaving school and not finding work does not count), or who have fallen on tough times, e.g losing your job.

I have no problem with the ideal of a welfare society. I do, however, object to those who abuse it, and the lefties/do-gooders who say that we can't touch/reform it and accuse those who make such suggestions, that they are right-wing/selfish/etc, etc.

I agree with your sentiments. Where you are wrong is that you blame lefties and do-gooders, but seem unprepared to consider that right wing millionaires who see fit to slash basic state care for those most in need are equally a cause of the problem.

Ultimately, there needs to be a cultural shift away from treating the welfare state as a lifestyle choice because it doesn't matter what changes are made, there are ALWAYS going to be people who still somehow slip through the net, and those who do unfairly well out of it. A bit like life in general. But what can be changed are people's attitudes.

What is my solution? Well I think the law ought to be changed such that benefit cheats are properly punished by a potential stretch inside that perhaps exceeds the seriousness of the crime. I'd like to see some proper provisions made for those long term unemployed - I fail to see the shame in people earning their benefits by doing jobs in the community that make the country a nicer place to live.

And I'd like to see some cross party agreement on a way to tackle the problem because changing a culture costs money, and that is what needs to happen.

 

[Surrey_Albion]

National service would be an excellent idea. The current system is not working and will never work.

That kid last night was reading out his offenses like some sort of badge of honour, it's disgusting. It seems like being poor can also be used as an excuse for being a thug.

Compared to other countries the thugs in this country don't know how good they have it. The punishments being handed are not working, it's weak and these people are taking the pee out of the system. No point in sending social workers around for a chat, cuddle and cup of coffe, you can't change some of these people.

The kids constantly causing a nuisance around the area, as soon as they hit 17 send them away on National service. I don't know if France or Italy still run national service, however a bit of discipline would not hurt some of these scum bags.

I know about ten years ago a freind of mine had dual nationallity and he had to go back to Italy for a year so unless changed in last ten years I think they do and as for France I know we ,as Brits,arent meant to like them but lets be fair they do what we ,as Brits, do not do and thats stick up for themselves

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

National service would be an excellent idea. The current system is not working and will never work.

That kid last night was reading out his offenses like some sort of badge of honour, it's disgusting. It seems like being poor can also be used as an excuse for being a thug.

Compared to other countries the thugs in this country don't know how good they have it. The punishments being handed are not working, it's weak and these people are taking the pee out of the system. No point in sending social workers around for a chat, cuddle and cup of coffe, you can't change some of these people.

The kids constantly causing a nuisance around the area, as soon as they hit 17 send them away on National service. I don't know if France or Italy still run national service, however a bit of discipline would not hurt some of these scum bags.

Rich people have not got a reason to be a thug.
These people from the program last night have been let down by a failed system, as shown by the young man who kept getting sent back to prison; maybe it's time we looked at the root causes of these problems with earlier intervention, rather than the only involvement coming from the Police.

 

[ditchy]

Rich people have not got a reason to be a thug.
These people from the program last night have been let down by a failed system, as shown by the young man who kept getting sent back to prison; maybe it's time we looked at the root causes of these problems with earlier intervention, rather than the only involvement coming from the Police.

The System fails , when the repeat offender is not afraid of the option to go back to prison .Therefore it is no deterent

 

[beorhthelm]

... Why can't this government send them on work experience to earn their benefits then. The company gets a free worker. If these teenagers don't show cut the benefits, or would it be against there human rights to do it?

this is one of the governments policies but the left have cried foul about it being slave labour and in some cases put off companies from involvement as they gave them a load of bad press. In general, Duncan Smiths policy is to address this whole issue by reshaping how benefits and low income jobs can work together, the idea being that as you get into some work you dont instantly lose key benefits, so can make the transistion from out of work to in work more easily.

then you can weed out those trying from those who cant be arsed and start to address suitable punishments in the system. fundementally, the problem is too large a population in a developed economy where we've spent decades inventing and implementing labour saving tools and machinery. in ages gone by people would have emigrated to where the work is, but people apparently dont fancy trading in a house on an estate in Blackburn for Bangalore, Manila or Guangzhou.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Rich people have not got a reason to be a thug.
These people from the program last night have been let down by a failed system, as shown by the young man who kept getting sent back to prison; maybe it's time we looked at the root causes of these problems with earlier intervention, rather than the only involvement coming from the Police.

Why have they been let down by a failed system? The system is actually trying to support them by giving them money. For this money they are meant to go and find work, they can probably go to college for free as well due to their own personal situations, but it seems they are just happy to sit on their arse, smoke a spliff and moan about the system.

Those teenagers said there where no jobs. There are jobs if you are desperate. Why are the foreigners managing to get jobs, is it because they show enthusiasm and the companies can rely on them to turn up on time, not moan, and think they are better than what they really are.

They have exactly the same chances of these workers from overseas, in fact they have the advantage. Nobody is sleeping on the street, they can all eat.

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[BigGully]

The conundrum is that those long term unemployed and housed by the state, many within the private housing stock remain generally uneducated and unqualified, but to maintain their lifestyle they would need to walk out of their residence and walk into a job paying £25 - £40 000 per annum.

How can you allow hard working families, many working all hours whilst using a wee bit of debt to try and cover their living expenses, whilst their neighbour does absolutely NOTHING and enjoys a comparative lifestyle, without any financial or personal responsibility.

 

[albion534]

Heard on the radio a few weeks ago they are trying a scheme where once you leave school or uni, and you are on jobseekers, you get sent to a work placement for 3 months where you obviously earn your job seekers!

Then they said some people are claiming its slave labour etc, but they also interviewed a few people who went on it saying they either got a job with the firm. Or it helped them get a job as it looks good on their CV

I Personally would cut jobseekers allouwence after 6 months, or simply all benifits if people CAN work, so it encourages them to get a job!

 

[Marc1901]

I'm nearly turning 18 and for months I struggled to find work after being kicked out of college. I realised I needed to do something with my life so while signed on I started full time voluntary work. I was signed on for a couple of months and then signed off as I managed to get a full time apprenticeship because they saw how keen I was to work. I get a decent wage, much better than what I would of been if I was still signed on and love where I work. I've gone from sitting on my arse and doing nothing to working full time and also starting boxing which is something new to me.

Work is a very hard thing to come by at this age though and a lot of people need to realise that..

 

[Randsta]

Bring back National service I say!

 

[junior]

If someone is of the mentality that they don't want to work, what makes you think they would want to do work experience?

You cant force them to do work experience. I certainly wouldnt want anyone in my workplace who was being 'forced' to be there.

 

[Norman Potting]

I'm nearly turning 18 and for months I struggled to find work after being kicked out of college. I realised I needed to do something with my life so while signed on I started full time voluntary work. I was signed on for a couple of months and then signed off as I managed to get a full time apprenticeship because they saw how keen I was to work. I get a decent wage, much better than what I would of been if I was still signed on and love where I work. I've gone from sitting on my arse and doing nothing to working full time and also starting boxing which is something new to me.

Well done you! I suspect that this attitude is probably more widespread than the Daily Mail/Express would like us to believe