[Palace] Palace hypocrisy

[andy1980]

So you use the money from 'the lease' to pay to fund the academy before paying back the expenditure of actually building the hotel or the academy? Easy to see how Bloom made all this money he's now spending.

Might be the cheapest way long term. Paying £2.5 million every year for the next 20 years or £30 million on a hotel, and the money from the hotel paying for the academy for the next 20 years.

 

[Stato]

I never said it was limited by FFP allowances. Of course, unless by then BHAFC is actually self sufficient financially, I assume you are implicitly saying that Tony can stump up the costs out of his pocket?

I didn't think I was being implicit, but as you don't seem to have understood, lets be more explicit.

You said that the Albion had a shoestring budget. I was explaining that the limits on our playing budget are dictated by FFP, not by Tony Bloom's ambition and generosity.

Tony Bloom has indicated that he wants the day to day running of the club to become sustainable in the medium to long term, but the fact that he has invested between £150 and £200 million in infrastructure with little expectation of a return suggests that he is willing to spend an awful lot of his own money to realise this aim.

 

[VHA on NSC]

I didn't think I was being implicit, but as you don't seem to have understood, lets be more explicit.

You said that the Albion had a shoestring budget. I was explaining that the limits on our playing budget are dictated by FFP, not by Tony Bloom's ambition and generosity.

Tony Bloom has indicated that he wants the day to day running of the club to become sustainable in the medium to long term, but the fact that he has invested between £150 and £200 million in infrastructure with little expectation of a return suggests that he is willing to spend an awful lot of his own money to realise this aim.

Yes, exactly as I stated. And hopefully, Albion fans will, when droning on about 'Palace wouldn't be where they are if not for admins', at least acknowledge that they wouldn't be where they are without whoring their club not only to be where it is now, but to stay there for the immediate to long term future. Not that there's any reason to wear such a cloak of shame. No, the shame comes from the lack of awareness of their own hypocrisy.

 

[SJ's Love Monkey]

Yes, exactly as I stated. And hopefully, Albion fans will, when droning on about 'Palace wouldn't be where they are if not for admins', at least acknowledge that they wouldn't be where they are without whoring their club not only to be where it is now, but to stay there for the immediate to long term future. Not that there's any reason to wear such a cloak of shame. No, the shame comes from the lack of awareness of their own hypocrisy.

I wouldn't hold your breath Vincent!

 

[andy1980]

Yes, exactly as I stated. And hopefully, Albion fans will, when droning on about 'Palace wouldn't be where they are if not for admins', at least acknowledge that they wouldn't be where they are without whoring their club not only to be where it is now, but to stay there for the immediate to long term future. Not that there's any reason to wear such a cloak of shame. No, the shame comes from the lack of awareness of their own hypocrisy.

It goes both ways.

 

[VHA on NSC]

Yes, exactly as I stated. And hopefully, Albion fans will, when droning on about 'Palace wouldn't be where they are if not for admins', at least acknowledge that they wouldn't be where they are without whoring their club not only to be where it is now, but to stay there for the immediate to long term future. Not that there's any reason to wear such a cloak of shame. No, the shame comes from the lack of awareness of their own hypocrisy.

So, basically none of it is your clubs fault, and if it wasn't for those pesky bent buisness men you would be the British Bayern Munich? Let's just remind ourselves, Unclr Ron bankrolled your club for many years, ripping off Charlton and Wimbledon for extortionate rent along the way, I seem to remember Palace fans shouting from the rooftops about what a great owner Jordan was going to be for you,a real multi millionaire Palace fan, and you have the nerve to insinuate that we have rolled over for Tony Bloom? To use your own analogy, if we are Tony Blooms young trophy mistress, then Palace is a disease ridden, rancid old whore, willing to drop her knickers for any passing spiv, with the coin, no matter how crookedly gained, to show her a temporary good time,and to hell with the consequences

Ron never bankrolled the club, he operated it on a purely self sufficient basis, to the heights of third in the league. You know, in the way that Brighton fans say the club would never achieve without administration 'help'. It's like a resentful impotent man claiming that another man's enviable erection would not have been achieved without Viagra.

The rest of your spiteful tirade is null and void, as I've never attempted to gain the haughty moral higher ground occupied by the hypocritical, sanctimonious Brighton contingent.

 

[bhanutz]

Ron never bankrolled the club, he operated it on a purely self sufficient basis, to the heights of third in the league. You know, in the way that Brighton fans say the club would never achieve without administration 'help'. It's like a resentful impotent man claiming that another man's enviable erection would not have been achieved without Viagra.

The rest of your spiteful tirade is null and void, as I've never attempted to gain the haughty moral higher ground occupied by the hypocritical, sanctimonious Brighton contingent.

Get lost you muppet, you are boring! Haven't you got your own board to bore the hell out of people?

 

[lawros left foot]

I was replying to your post inferring we were whores for ' opening our legs for Tony Blooms wallet' so if you don't like me adapting your own analogy to fit the facts, don't use one in the first place. I have to go now ,I have just taken my Viagra

 

[Stato]

Yes, exactly as I stated. And hopefully, Albion fans will, when droning on about 'Palace wouldn't be where they are if not for admins', at least acknowledge that they wouldn't be where they are without whoring their club not only to be where it is now, but to stay there for the immediate to long term future. Not that there's any reason to wear such a cloak of shame. No, the shame comes from the lack of awareness of their own hypocrisy.

Brighton fans know how lucky we are to have Tony Bloom and I see this acknowledged all the time on this website. There are a couple of differences in our situations:

1) Tony Bloom has put his money into the club voluntarily. Nobody was owed something and didn't receive it.
2) When Brighton didn't have a ground or Tony Bloom's money, they cut their cloth and took the inevitable drop down the leagues. Administration allowed clubs like Palace to free themselves of the debts which would have taken them on the same journey downwards.

These are simply facts and I attach no morality to them. However, you seem to regard the statement of these type of facts as Brighton fans being holier than thou. I can only imagine that this is because you feel shame for your clubs actions, or that your assumption of superiority over Brighton because of league position feels undermined by a feeling that those outside of the rivalry may have a respect for our club because it has won through a struggle that you will never know. The latter seems more likely as you do seem to have a particular need to denigrate over Brighton fans' pride in the way the club has come back from the brink.

 

[matbha]

Ron never bankrolled the club, he operated it on a purely self sufficient basis, to the heights of third in the league. You know, in the way that Brighton fans say the club would never achieve without administration 'help'. It's like a resentful impotent man claiming that another man's enviable erection would not have been achieved without Viagra.

The rest of your spiteful tirade is null and void, as I've never attempted to gain the haughty moral higher ground occupied by the hypocritical, sanctimonious Brighton contingent.

But football is now money mad and all about money ,not so much when ron ruled??

 

[VHA on NSC]

Brighton fans know how lucky we are to have Tony Bloom and I see this acknowledged all the time on this website. There are a couple of differences in our situations:

1) Tony Bloom has put his money into the club voluntarily. Nobody was owed something and didn't receive it.
2) When Brighton didn't have a ground or Tony Bloom's money, they cut their cloth and took the inevitable drop down the leagues. Administration allowed clubs like Palace to free themselves of the debts which would have taken them on the same journey downwards.

These are simply facts and I attach no morality to them. However, you seem to regard the statement of these type of facts as Brighton fans being holier than thou. I can only imagine that this is because you feel shame for your clubs actions, or that your assumption of superiority over Brighton because of league position feels undermined by a feeling that those outside of the rivalry may have a respect for our club because it has won through a struggle that you will never know. The latter seems more likely as you do seem to have a particular need to denigrate over Brighton fans' pride in the way the club has come back from the brink.

The very statement 'administration allowed clubs like Palace to stay in the same division blah blah blah' is fundamentally flawed. By the same virtue, were Palace given a special pass to stay in the top division when Bloye stole the infrastructure of the club and Venables over half of the playing staff?

No Palace 'cut their cloth' and barely made it out of a downward spiral that was enough to give WCP enough ammunition for decades, if he were a real person. Was the favourable deal worked out by CPFC2010 payback for the way the stadium was misappropriated in the first place, leading to the subsequent financial misadventures which at the very least have damaged the club as benefitted it.

I do not feel shame for my club's actions, why should I? Just as I don't take credit for their achievements. I can only do what I can do in my capacity as a fan.

 

[Hillian1]

Oh god it's back.

It is by far and away the most boring Palace poster ever to grace this board.

It reminds me of a line from the Terminator film.

"Listen, and understand. VHA is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or guilt at robbing charity. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are bored to death"

 

[Working class pride]

Hello VHA. I started a thread the other day praising how your board showed foresight of trying to make the most of your catchment area and potential and comparing this to the limited ambition or foresight showed by some Brighton fans. I also thought this thread was about palace fans having banners against modern football despite being fans of a club who only had 8000 season ticket holders in the championship, doubling your gates now in the modern day "premier league", enjoying goal music, shouting back goal scorers names, making Blue Peter displays, having kiddy ultras and of course banging drums. So how did it get onto your two administrations ?

 

[Stato]

The very statement 'administration allowed clubs like Palace to stay in the same division blah blah blah' is fundamentally flawed. By the same virtue, were Palace given a special pass to stay in the top division when Bloye stole the infrastructure of the club and Venables over half of the playing staff?

No Palace 'cut their cloth' and barely made it out of a downward spiral that was enough to give WCP enough ammunition for decades, if he were a real person. Was the favourable deal worked out by CPFC2010 payback for the way the stadium was misappropriated in the first place, leading to the subsequent financial misadventures which at the very least have damaged the club as benefitted it.

I do not feel shame for my club's actions, why should I? Just as I don't take credit for their achievements. I can only do what I can do in my capacity as a fan.

The statement is not flawed. If administration did not allow freedom from debt, the debt would have needed to be paid, or the club would have been wound up. The only way to pay the debts would have been to sell your assets. As you didn't own the ground this would have meant losing all of the first team squad in the same way Portsmouth did a couple of seasons ago.

The rest of what you say I cannot comment on as I don't know the full history of your club's financial dealings. This is one reason why I wouldn't go on to your forum and try to gob off to people who would know better.......

 

[VHA on NSC]

Hello VHA. I started a thread the other day praising how your board showed foresight of trying to make the most of your catchment area and potential and comparing this to the limited ambition or foresight showed by some Brighton fans. I also thought this thread was about palace fans having banners against modern football despite being fans of a club who only had 8000 season ticket holders in the championship, doubling your gates now in the modern day "premier league", enjoying goal music, shouting back goal scorers names, making Blue Peter displays, having kiddy ultras and of course banging drums. So how did it get onto your two administrations ?

Some supporters of CPFC do have banners against modern football etc. They are probably the same fans who complain on the Palace message boards about the goal music etc. There are also fans who like that stuff, particularly family oriented fans, who for all I know have no problems with modern football at all, and are glad they can bring kids to games without them being pelted on the head with coins by Brighton fans when I was a kid in the 80s. I have very little interest in such an analysis of a microcosm of our support.

The continuing arbitrary decision making being exhibited by Brighton fans as to where in the league and why various clubs should be in relation to their own is, however a most heinous display of hypocrisy and arrogance that must always be challenged, coming as it does against a backdrop of fortuitous benevolence.

I do not perceive a particularly high proportion of Brighton fans exhibiting a lack of ambition, nor those within the club. If anything, I commend the fans who do perceive their team of plodders as possessing flair, Barcelona esque and so on. It shows true (however misguided) optimism. As for the club, to repeatedly sell their image of 'Premier League ready' for a club that is perennially 'Championship treading water' I think shows great ambition.

 

[VHA on NSC]

The statement is not flawed. If administration did not allow freedom from debt, the debt would have needed to be paid, or the club would have been wound up. The only way to pay the debts would have been to sell your assets. As you didn't own the ground this would have meant losing all of the first team squad in the same way Portsmouth did a couple of seasons ago.

The rest of what you say I cannot comment on as I don't know the full history of your club's financial dealings. This is one reason why I wouldn't go on to your forum and try to gob off to people who would know better.......

The statement is flawed - to say that Palace wouldn't be where they are without admins is like saying Palace would never have been in admin if Bloye didn't do this or Noades didn't do that.

To continually dredge it up is the most sincere sour grapes designed to assuage their own feelings of failure.

 

[Hillian1]

pom·pous (pŏm′pəs)
adj.
1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.
2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.
3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious: a pompous occasion.

 

[cjd]

Oh god it's back.

It is by far and away the most boring Palace poster ever to grace this board.

It reminds me of a line from the Terminator film.

"Listen, and understand. VHA is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or guilt at robbing charity. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are bored to death"

TBH he reminds me of "Eaglesdestroyseagulls"...the Palace troll who was eventually banned for a year .."for being a Palace bore on too regular basis".

Interesting that since "Eaglesdestroysseagulls" has gone, how prolific in his postings has "VHA" become. Another interesting point is how "Eaglesdestroyseagulls" frequently posted at 1.00am, 2.00am and 3.00am UK time.

Not suggesting anything of course...just a co-incidence.

 

[Buzzer]

To continually dredge it up is the most sincere sour grapes designed to assuage their own feelings of failure.

Seeing as you are trying to pitch yourself as a wordsmith, can I offer some advice? If I were you I'd concentrate less on the pompous verbosity and more on correct usage. Split infinitives? Schoolboy error. "Sincere sour grapes'? Surely an oxymoron. The whole notion of the phrase 'sour grapes' is that of wilful denial. Definintely not sincerity. And to finish a tautology. Yes, we know what the phrase 'sour grapes' mean (well....apparently you're not completely au fait with it but you get the gist of it), there's really no need for the supplementary definition.

The advice is given freely and I hope you have also picked up that I'm displaying a large degree of self-awareness by writing this post in the same tediously long style that you've been boring us with. You think you're clever. It's all relative.

 

[Stato]

The statement is flawed - to say that Palace wouldn't be where they are without admins is like saying Palace would never have been in admin if Bloye didn't do this or Noades didn't do that.

To continually dredge it up is the most sincere sour grapes designed to assuage their own feelings of failure.

Just repeating something doesn't make it true.

My statement was that administration allowed Palace to free themselves from debts which could not have been cleared without losing their first team squad.

If this is flawed perhaps you would like to explain how Palace could have paid the debts without administration and without weakening their team.

Perhaps you could also make your explanation without peppering it with phrases like 'fortuitous benevolence' and 'hypocritical sanctimonious contingent' which are presumably designed to make you sound more intelligent than those you are arguing with, but actually make your posts read like a clumsy sixth form attempt at creative writing.