[Travel] P and O

[Weststander]

Reading into this further, the Dubai parent company of P&O (effectively Sheikh Mohammed) were behind this.

Today unequivocally backing their employee Hebblethwaite.

Bringing gulf state non-existent employment laws to the UK, unbothered by this blip of a reaction.

 

[Eeyore]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60862933

My previous organisation sacked us all on the spot. It cost them a lot at a tribunal under 'failure to consult'

The moral of the story is that you want to get away with stuff make sure you have a dumb workforce first.

This is why unions still have a place in society.

 

[vegster]

Well I quite enjoyed the public monstering that grasping slimeball Hebblethwaite got today. "Are you in this mess because you don't know what you're doing, or are you just a shameless criminal ?"

Won't mean much in the great scheme of things unless he is forced to resign, but it was good to see a piece of filth like him squirm on a hook for a while. No doubt he'll still get his grubby mits on his bonuses, and hs index-linked pension. But everyone now knows what an utter scumbag he is.

Equally, if he does leave his post he will return within a year at most, once the dust has settled, in a similar position. I'm sure some one will hire him again to do this same work as he will be regarded as someone who can take the tough decisions, ie, do the morally repugnant and borderline legal practices to " streamline " business efficiency.

If I stole £5 from the till of my shop I would never get a position handling cash again in my working life. But, if I cost my company thousands by breaking employment laws and rules and say, fiddling my expenses as a director or senior manager, I will just get either a handsome payoff or moved sideways or another job of equal standing within a few months.

 

[Springal]

My previous organisation sacked us all on the spot. It cost them a lot at a tribunal under 'failure to consult'

The moral of the story is that you want to get away with stuff make sure you have a dumb workforce first.

This is why unions still have a place in society.

Not sure what difference a union would make. If a companies going to do it they will and they will have factored in how much it will cost in settlements or tribunals.

We got rid of 10% of our Salesforce at the start of covid - of course quite US focussed as easier to do so, but the few that went in the UK all got a £30k settlement - but no right to legal recourse, or much lower amount and you can take us to court. Everyone took the settlement

 

[Baker lite]

My previous organisation sacked us all on the spot. It cost them a lot at a tribunal under 'failure to consult'

The moral of the story is that you want to get away with stuff make sure you have a dumb workforce first.

This is why unions still have a place in society.

Indeed, I’ve never been overly active in my union, go out on strike when balloted and the subsequent ballot is successful, other than that, I’m in a union purely for my own protection. If the company I work for were to act illegally ( I would never imagine they would, but you never know) I would have some sort of financial recompense.
If I were the Government today ( I’m not) I would compulsory purchase this side of the P&O business and re-nationalise it. They won’t.

 

[BBassic]

Indeed, I’ve never been overly active in my union, go out on strike when balloted and the subsequent ballot is successful, other than that, I’m in a union purely for my own protection. If the company I work for were to act illegally ( I would never imagine they would, but you never know) I would have some sort of financial recompense.
If I were the Government today ( I’m not) I would compulsory purchase this side of the P&O business and re-nationalise it. They won’t.

Oh my word I agree with something you've said.

Freaky Friday!

 

[NooBHA]

You misunderstand the point I was making NooBHA - I have also met Foot and he was, as you point out, a decent guy. The problem was that he did exactly what Corbyn tried to do - accommodate the (what would now be called Blairites) 'Gang of Four' and their wider circle - and they did just what the Blairites did to Corbyn - stabbed him in the back, irrespective of the consequences to the Labour Party and to the working class in Britain.

Ah OK - Understood.

I was young when he was Labour Leader and not quite as engaged in Politics at that point in my life

 

[Seaview Seagull]

O dear the old "stabbed in the back " excuses reappear. Sigh.. The fact that meets Foot and Corbyn led the party to its worst defeats is apparently nothing to do with them but every thing to do with others. Leaders are there to take responsibility not pass it to others. Yes, both were nice people but both in my view bad leaders.


Surely it has dawned on most "progressive" people by now that labour only wins elections when all wings of the party find common ground and an offer to the electorate they can empathize with.

Just for context I comment as a regular labour voter in a household of members of the party and no one who has ever voted Tory

 

[Thunder Bolt]

O dear the old "stabbed in the back " excuses reappear. Sigh.. The fact that meets Foot and Corbyn led the party to its worst defeats is apparently nothing to do with them but every thing to do with others. Leaders are there to take responsibility not pass it to others. Yes, both were nice people but both in my view bad leaders.


Surely it has dawned on most "progressive" people by now that labour only wins elections when all wings of the party find common ground and an offer to the electorate they can empathize with.

Just for context I comment as a regular labour voter in a household of members of the party and no one who has ever voted Tory

As much as I dislike this bunch of Tories, they do stick together. Labour has too much infighting and wanting their own principles rather than making life better for the vulnerable.

 

[NooBHA]

O dear the old "stabbed in the back " excuses reappear. Sigh.. The fact that meets Foot and Corbyn led the party to its worst defeats is apparently nothing to do with them but every thing to do with others. Leaders are there to take responsibility not pass it to others. Yes, both were nice people but both in my view bad leaders.


Surely it has dawned on most "progressive" people by now that labour only wins elections when all wings of the party find common ground and an offer to the electorate they can empathize with.

Just for context I comment as a regular labour voter in a household of members of the party and no one who has ever voted Tory

Labour only wins elections when the Media Groups like the Sun and the Mirror stop spinning whatever Agenda they want to spin to it's readers - Traditional Labour Voters form their political views from TV and those widely read publications.

Corbyn's downfall was that he threatened to impose new Regulations on the Media to make it easier for people to sue them and as soon as he did that then every Publication turned against on TV and in the Press. The fact remains that this country voted for Boris Johnson but what they got ( due to Covid Lockdowns ) was Jeremy Corbyn's Policies and everyone who relied on Government Assistance during the Pandemic - Without those socialist policies many people would have starved or lost their homes.

 

[lawros left foot]

Grant Shapps has called on Peter Hepplethwaite, P&O CEO to resign.

Tories don’t do irony, do they?

 

[Eeyore]

Not sure what difference a union would make. If a companies going to do it they will and they will have factored in how much it will cost in settlements or tribunals.

We got rid of 10% of our Salesforce at the start of covid - of course quite US focussed as easier to do so, but the few that went in the UK all got a £30k settlement - but no right to legal recourse, or much lower amount and you can take us to court. Everyone took the settlement

Trust me, my previous working experience (the organisation I work for now is outstanding) showed the value of unions, if only to keep the company in line with the law.

A friend of mine was sacked for a minor infraction (to use a NSC favourite). She got a large sum at a tribunal. That would never have happened if we hadn't unionised the place. She wasn't the only one.

 

[clapham_gull]

Whoops

P&O Ferries ship detained over crew training concerns.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60881550

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

O dear the old "stabbed in the back " excuses reappear. Sigh.. The fact that meets Foot and Corbyn led the party to its worst defeats is apparently nothing to do with them but every thing to do with others. Leaders are there to take responsibility not pass it to others. Yes, both were nice people but both in my view bad leaders.


Surely it has dawned on most "progressive" people by now that labour only wins elections when all wings of the party find common ground and an offer to the electorate they can empathize with.

Just for context I comment as a regular labour voter in a household of members of the party and no one who has ever voted Tory

This.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Trust me, my previous working experience (the organisation I work for now is outstanding) showed the value of unions, if only to keep the company in line with the law.

A friend of mine was sacked for a minor infraction (to use a NSC favourite). She got a large sum at a tribunal. That would never have happened if we hadn't unionised the place. She wasn't the only one.

Sadly in my 'industry' my union is mainly concerned with boycotting Israel, tackling the gender pay gap and, er, something.... those other two things. I forget what they are. As I mentioned I left recently after 36 years.

But I appreciate that not all unions are run by SWP dreamboats (my local rep is an SWP member; nice lad, but, FFS).

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Labour only wins elections when the Media Groups like the Sun and the Mirror stop spinning whatever Agenda they want to spin to it's readers - Traditional Labour Voters form their political views from TV and those widely read publications.

Corbyn's downfall was that he <snip>.

was a useless, out of touch, dithery buffoon who condemned all prejudice, but named only Israel, and was lukewarm about the EU and offered hope only to the people who thought he might re-nationalise everything, legalize cannabis, and continue to vote against his own party like he had done for 30 years. No compromise with the electrorate, no compromise with getting things done, no compromise with, er, sorry what was that? Oh look - a plan that benefits 95% but disadvantages 5%! I cannot support that! Oh, let me shake hands with that man with a beard - I'm sure he's got the best interests of the proletariat at heart. No, let me finish......Israel is....

 

[Eric the meek]

Whoops

P&O Ferries ship detained over crew training concerns.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60881550

Is the P&O CEO Peter 'we were required to consult, but chose not to' Hebblethwaite worth his £325,000 salary?

So, we've got a ferry manned by new cheaper crew detained in NI, its normal route being to Scotland.
Earlier, we heard that Dutch and French dockers have said they won't handle P&O ferries crewed by scabs.

Now I'm no expert, but to run a ferry company, don't you need ferries to, you know, leave one port and successfully arrive at another port?

 

[GT49er]

Labour only wins elections when the Media Groups like the Sun and the Mirror stop spinning whatever Agenda they want to spin to it's readers - Traditional Labour Voters form their political views from TV and those widely read publications.

I wonder what it will take for some hard-line uber-left London-centric champagne socialists to finally accept that many traditional Labour voters actually form their own political views? Until they do (and stop trying to run the party in their own image) the future looks a bit grim for Labour (and sadly for traditional Labour voters too).

 

[NooBHA]

was a useless, out of touch, dithery buffoon who condemned all prejudice, but named only Israel, and was lukewarm about the EU and offered hope only to the people who thought he might re-nationalise everything, legalize cannabis, and continue to vote against his own party like he had done for 30 years. No compromise with the electrorate, no compromise with getting things done, no compromise with, er, sorry what was that? Oh look - a plan that benefits 95% but disadvantages 5%! I cannot support that! Oh, let me shake hands with that man with a beard - I'm sure he's got the best interests of the proletariat at heart. No, let me finish......Israel is....

Alas you validate my post. Virtually word for word what those media outlets published

 

[NooBHA]

I wonder what it will take for some hard-line uber-left London-centric champagne socialists to finally accept that many traditional Labour voters actually form their own political views? Until they do (and stop trying to run the party in their own image) the future looks a bit grim for Labour (and sadly for traditional Labour voters too).

I am in no way a hard line Uber Leftist. I work in a truly Capitalist Industry. I believe in Capitalism. However I also believe that the fruits of Capitalism can also be utilised to assist those who have not benefited from it or who are incapable of benefiting from it, whether it be though physical incapability or simply lack of opportunity to benefit from it.