Yep. It's what people wanted.
It’s the democratic will of the people.
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[Travel] P and O
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It’s the democratic will of the people.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
This wouldn't be allowed in the Single Market.
Best re-join the SM asap and prevent this happening again.
Best re-join the SM asap and prevent this happening again.
UK Government can do very little on their own except block P& O from UK ports but given the transport goods they won't do that. Also even if they did then P & O have many other routes to operate on.
Contrast that with the power of the EU who could ban them from almost every port in Europe and use other Carriers then on their own the UK has virtually no power of persuasion.
The sanctions by NATO against Russia has brought into focus the need for counties to work together in any effort to exert pressure. Many of the people who voted for Brexit were the very same people who rely on Unions within their employment, however they failed to correlate that concept when they cast their Brexit Vote.
- Jan 3, 2012
- 17,356
Nobody with any sense can possibly think that this has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit!
Whatever your politics, surely it’s pretty obvious.
Randy McNob
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- Jun 13, 2020
- 4,725
You can't reason with the last few Brexit maniacs, still holding their magic beans and drinking the cool aid
They're now at the stage where the outbreak of world war III is a price worth paying for trivial gains like New Zealand lamb, they'd rather take the grim reality they were royally conned to their graves than have the balls to admit it
johanngull
New member
- Jul 8, 2015
- 60
RMT have been very vocal before the latest news that the P&O decision to register ships in Cyprus because of Brexit was pure opportunism and more to do with them being able to recruit cheap EU labour not subject to our national minimum wage or having to pay tax even though they will work here.
RMT and others have been using the Irish Ferries, now operating out of Dover already using cheap agency workers mostly from Eastern Europe, as an example of what lies in store now they too register in EU Cyprus, use cheap EU labour with some alleged shocking worker conditions.
There is much more to this story than simply jumping into the usual divisive camps of defending Brexit or blaming Brexit and thinking the EU is wonderful for protecting seafaring worker jobs and conditions.
https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-demands-action-on-seafarer-jobs/
https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-on-pando-flagging-out-dover-calais-fleet/
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/11/white-cliffs-of-dover-shipping-companies-labor-conditions
Pavilionaire
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 31,273
1. I feel for the P&O workers. These sackings couldn't have been handled in a more callous way, and will mentally scar many employees for a long time.
2. P&O re-registering ships in Cyprus has only happened because of Brexit, while these "redundancies" would not be permitted in the EU.
3. 6 years on, where is the upside to Brexit? It' just a growing list of lost jobs, lost trade, lost investment and a mountain of red tape. A f*cking disaster made manifest.
2. P&O re-registering ships in Cyprus has only happened because of Brexit, while these "redundancies" would not be permitted in the EU.
3. 6 years on, where is the upside to Brexit? It' just a growing list of lost jobs, lost trade, lost investment and a mountain of red tape. A f*cking disaster made manifest.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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my mid curve brain cant work out how sacking 800 people will save much on £100m losses, especially when a large portion will be rehired. so heres something different, is this a ploy to have business bought out, government looking to an alternative operator or nationalise ? 
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,023
thing is UK employment law hasnt changed yet since leaving EU. we dont know for sure if it is legal (no consultation is unlawful here), and the law of ship registered country may come into it.
Mr Putdown
Well-known member
It won’t, it’s just a convenient opportunity to make extra, massive unexpected staff cost savings within what is, covid excluding - a highly profitable business.
They paid out 207m in dividends, the year before covid hit, and are now claiming two years of 100m losses required sacking 800 people to be replaced by significantly cheaper staff on what will again be highly profitable routes as things return to normality.
It stinks.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,023
looks like the 270m dividend in 2020 was relating to delisting of DP World, its not from P&O Ferries.
Silverhatch
Well-known member
By the bungling, faffling, Latin-reading, Eton-educated **** now in no.10. SHAMEFUL
I totally agree. These P&O workers need to stop moaning. Get over it, it’s the will of the people. And to be fair, they are moving on…..albeit from their place of work to the dole queue escorted by balaclava clad security guards. They knew what they were voting for!
PS isn’t happening in France.
Are you saying that where a boat is registered to means staff working on it are subject to those employment laws and minimum wages , NOT where the company that they are employed from is based?
I did find this back from when they did it in Jan 2019 from someone presumably note knowledgeable than myself
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You can run ships on Register A in country B’s tonnage tax scheme as long as both are in the EU. Great system.
I run ships which are on the British register and which are in UK Tonnage Tax. Nusrat Ghani MP, the Shipping Minister, was careful to tell us that no changes to the system are planned before the end of 2020.
I was told by the Big Four firm who are our tax advisors that these P&O ships are probably on a lease (most likely from a French bank) which requires them to be in a register which is acceptable to an EU approved tonnage tax scheme, which the UK register won’t be in a few weeks time.
It doesn’t matter to my outfit because our ships are old bangers approaching the end of their lives and the banks who financed them (on leases which optionally exited into UK tonnage tax) were paid off long ago; it’s next stop rebars for our fleet, which is not being replaced, due to Brexit.
The British flag for merchant ships spent the last quarter of the last century dwindling away to nothing as the Conservative Government under Thatcher didn’t understand the nature of shipping and over taxed it. John Prescott created the Tonnage Tax scheme and brought a lot back, but when Maurice Storey retired as head of the MCA the ghastly civil service recruitment people put in a succession of Admirals, charity managers and other no hopers and the spirit ebbed out of the MCA. It’s all pretty much over, and Brexit is the last nail in the coffin.
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Peter Grummit
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People voted for Brexit to take control of our borders and stop foreign workers taking British jobs.
How's that working out, BTW?
So-called Freeports will make this much easier as well as putting our strategic port assets beyond the reach of important legal safeguards and regulation. This is what Singapore-on-Sea looks like in practice. Exactly what disaster capitalists like Rees-Mogg planned so it's no good the Government throwing up their hands in mock-horror when they realise this fails their populism test.
But yes, Johnson got Brexit done, his great achievement. It's all done and dusted. Ancient history. The reason Brexiteers say this, of course, is that it's been such a clusterf*CK disaster.
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How's that working out, BTW?
So-called Freeports will make this much easier as well as putting our strategic port assets beyond the reach of important legal safeguards and regulation. This is what Singapore-on-Sea looks like in practice. Exactly what disaster capitalists like Rees-Mogg planned so it's no good the Government throwing up their hands in mock-horror when they realise this fails their populism test.
But yes, Johnson got Brexit done, his great achievement. It's all done and dusted. Ancient history. The reason Brexiteers say this, of course, is that it's been such a clusterf*CK disaster.
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- Jan 3, 2012
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I don’t doubt it. I was purely thinking of the effect that the reduction in imports and exports caused by Brexit (and COVID) will have had on P & O’s business, but to dismiss Brexit totally as an influence on this has to be naive.
nicko31
Well-known member
Echoes of Waping back in 1986
Pot....kettle....
Pot....kettle....
Just seen a Facebook post from an old friend. Habitual Tory voter and Brexiteer. Hopping mad about this because he used to work on the ferries.
The empathy always kicks in as soon as it gets close to home. I do wish he’d employed some of those critical faculties his last few trips to the ballot box.
Sigh!
The empathy always kicks in as soon as it gets close to home. I do wish he’d employed some of those critical faculties his last few trips to the ballot box.
Sigh!
Peter Grummit
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https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1504725014087548930?t=2zASmD98AL6q7iLLWqI9ZA&s=19
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attila
1997 Club
Not happening in France because the billionaire filth know French workers would shut down the ships, the ports and the motoways leading to them, and a lot of French people would stand in solidarity with them.